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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Feb 18 2009, 09:42 AM)
I actually did some work as show producer this week, working hard to get Pokerstars player "Confedrate" on the show. He is confirmed for tomorrow's show, in what I believe is the first interview with the guy since Pokerstars screwed him out of his 25 billionth hand prize a few days ago.
Good job! Todd, while I don't always agree with some of your decisions or things you say, I do respect your efforts to put quality content on this site...i will be listening
it's too bad you can't get PokerNews/Tony G or another sponsor to fund an associate producer position work on lining up guests and work the hardware during the show, particularly during the World Series--maybe you could get a college intern for cheap to do that?
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QUOTE(threebet @ Feb 18 2009, 11:39 AM)
OMG I wish I would've never even posted in this thread because now I'm getting so tilted.
Druff,
You are trying to come up with some scenerio where he sat down a split second before the previous hand (thus not having time to post) AND the server crapping out before the 25 bill. hand (thus him not being able to post) AND pokerstars reviewing the situation and deciding to "screw" him AND the hundreds of people that were actually watching the hand and posting on 2+2 were all wrong when no one feels he got screwed.
Exactly how likely do you think your scenerio is?
The hand history before clearly shows he had an opportunity to post. He only came up with this wild angle shoot about not being able to post like 15-20 minutes after it happened because the other guy got disconnected totally unrelated to his situation. I was watching it and it was so obvious he was lying and grasping at straws to try and weasel some kind of deal. Just the fact that he called it an "annie" should give you a clue on who you're dealing with. Pokerstars had nothing to gain or lose from this. They were giving out $100k regardless if it was $25k x 4 or $33.33k x 3. You said they wouldn't take away the money from the other guys if they needed to. WRONG! They, in fact, took 50k away from the winner of the hand and gave it to the other guy who would've won the high if he didn't get disconnected. Do you notice out of all the people on 2+2 WHO WERE ACTUALLY WATCHING this unfold, no one is saying this guy got screwed? hmmmm. wonder why? Hoss TBF was simply stating that the hand number is stamped before someone posts. He was just clearing up that mini-discussion about it. He was in NO WAY addressing whether or not this guy got screwed, and I can't believe you're trying to spin it that way.
I see why people get so frustrated trying to talk to you. You form an opinion and never waiver from that opinion no matter what evidence is presented. That is a serious flaw you should work on. I was just trying to help you not sound like an idiot when you're putting on the home page "Guy gets screwed by pokerstars", without having an idea what you're talking about. Jesus, I'm sorry I even tried to help you out. Your "I'm right no matter what" disease is obviously incurable.
You need to calm down.
I am expressing a viewpoint different from yours, that's all.
I was even open-minded about the situation, saying that I'd read the 2+2 thread and perhaps change my mind if I saw something compelling.
I didn't. The only "evidence" presented there was that stupid "Confedrate sits out" hand, which as I showed, means nothing.
What else there is supposedly so convincing? That thread was basically a bunch of 2+2 nerds typing, "OMG this situation is sooooo funny!!!!11" over and over. I expected some sort of real discussion proving that Confedrate lied, but instead it was a bunch of garbage.
Also, I was never trying to imply that Hoss_TBF agreed with my point of view. I was simply quoting him to debunk the myth that the table would have missed out on the 25 billionth hand, had Confedrate actually posted out of position prior to the hand.
The bottom line is that the server was having BIG TIME problems, so Confedrate should be given the benefit of the doubt. Many people got disconnected. Many got confused. Many were unable to perform the actions they were trying to perform. Confedrate was at the table. He wasn't sitting out intentionally. Stars' server was having problems. The right thing to do here is to give him his piece of the pie, too.
Look, I will agree that it's more likely than not that he's full of shit, and just forget to uncheck "Wait for BB" on that particular table. However, there are so many scenarios that could have possibly led up to this where the server could be blamed. In this case, the best and classiest move is to give him the prize based upon what was POSSIBLE, rather than what was likely.
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3 bet Im gonna disagree with you for the simple reason that Druff's scenario is possible. Druff is just saying that its worth exploring and for 33k you would be too. Plus Druff has taken the initiative and made for an interesting Radio show or is at least trying to make it interesting. I believe it could be interesting just having some guy named confederate on the radio show. It really is astounding how hard Druff is working to make this a good site, despite losing at least half of the regular posters. If there were 3 Druffs running this site instead of a Micon, a Neverwin and a Druff, there would be 10 times the traffic as there is now.
fuck all this BS about idiots that don't know how to deal with promos, the Scott Matusow talking about riggaments could give you a truely great show if you work well with him, get on that.
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QUOTE(MaxDreidel @ Feb 18 2009, 07:10 PM)
Just answer one question for me Druff.
If PokerStars took the time to review the hand and saw that the server had screwed Frost by timing him out and ended up awarding TWICE as many tournament prize packages by splitting the pot.... why would they have failed to fix "confedrates" situation when it would have cost them NOTHING to hand him some money from the 100k and avoid the extra attention over their server issues ? Seriously.... ?
They already knew they had a server issue, they knew half the friggin' online poker world was watching, they took quite a bit of time to review what had happened and in the end it actually cost them more money by reviewing the situation and splitting the pot. They had absolutely ZERO to gain by helping out one guy with the server issue and hurting the other.
If the guy hadn't been sitting out previously and had played even a single hand before the 25B hand I would be inclined to believe his intention was to play this one too.... if only the "sever" hadn't kept saying "please wait" and wouldn't let "confedrate" pay his "annie"... and I would also believe him when he says he was "jewd" but that he wasn't a racist, he is just a "southern gentleman" living in Sacramento with an email address of "rebellooking4u" with a "half-mexican" son and "jewish as his heritage" so how could he be racist for saying "jewd"....
I am not saying I am right but I watched most of it, and my gut instinct is that PokerStars had nothing to gain by leaving him out and actually spent a lot more money by not "jewd-ing" the Frost guy too.... it just doesn't add up. I am not buying it and neither were the angry mob waiting to kick this guy when he was down and still sitting at the table an hour later hinting for donations. If he had got robbed with that many people watching, there would have been some people being supportive instead of the non stop ridicule and ass raping.
It wouldn't surprise me if Stars ends up shipping him something for publicity's sake... but it doesn't change my view of what really happened.
Other than man/woman minutes spent reviewing the situation I fail to see how it cost them more money since they took the 150K meant for the winner of the hand and split it between the two who split resulting in them each getting 75K. the 250K originally meant for the table was not exceeded: 2 got 75K, and 3 got 33,333.33(possibly one of em got 33,333.34) equaling 250K. As far s the tournament packages that were up for grabs they likely will split them equally between the 2 "winners". If I am missing something let me know.
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Feb 19 2009, 06:57 AM)
Look, I will agree that it's more likely than not that he's full of shit, and just forget to uncheck "Wait for BB" on that particular table. However, there are so many scenarios that could have possibly led up to this where the server could be blamed. In this case, the best and classiest move is to give him the prize based upon what was POSSIBLE, rather than what was likely.
TY.
And, no, he shouldn't receive anything. Suggesting Stars just throw this guy $25k for the hell of it when they investigated the matter and found that nothing was wrong except that he was too dumb to post the BB out of turn, is ludicrous.
Sorry I was harsh, but it's frustrating when otherwise intelligent people can't seem to grasp something.
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QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Feb 19 2009, 07:08 AM)
3 bet Im gonna disagree with you for the simple reason that Druff's scenario is possible. Druff is just saying that its worth exploring and for 33k you would be too. Plus Druff has taken the initiative and made for an interesting Radio show or is at least trying to make it interesting. I believe it could be interesting just having some guy named confederate on the radio show. It really is astounding how hard Druff is working to make this a good site, despite losing at least half of the regular posters. If there were 3 Druffs running this site instead of a Micon, a Neverwin and a Druff, there would be 10 times the traffic as there is now.
Yeah and it's possible a monkey might fly out of my butt. Should I get that explored, too? I'm sure it'd be worth more than the 33k.
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QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Feb 18 2009, 08:08 PM)
It really is astounding how hard Druff is working to make this a good site, despite losing at least half of the regular posters. If there were 3 Druffs running this site instead of a Micon, a Neverwin and a Druff, there would be 10 times the traffic as there is now.
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QUOTE(threebet @ Feb 18 2009, 03:20 PM)
QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Feb 19 2009, 07:08 AM)
3 bet Im gonna disagree with you for the simple reason that Druff's scenario is possible. Druff is just saying that its worth exploring and for 33k you would be too. Plus Druff has taken the initiative and made for an interesting Radio show or is at least trying to make it interesting. I believe it could be interesting just having some guy named confederate on the radio show. It really is astounding how hard Druff is working to make this a good site, despite losing at least half of the regular posters. If there were 3 Druffs running this site instead of a Micon, a Neverwin and a Druff, there would be 10 times the traffic as there is now.
Yeah and it's possible a monkey might fly out of my butt. Should I get that explored, too? I'm sure it'd be worth more than the 33k.
Its hard to believe that you would compare the chances of the stars servers fucking things up when they were overloaded to a feral primate being released from your anal cavity. I think this is a bad read.
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sent confedrate $2.
only 17,000 ppl need to send him $2 and he will have made more than on that milestone hand anyway.
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 20 2008, 11:14 PM)
There has always been some weird sexual tension between phantom and Martha. Micon is lucky that there's a big ocean between you two.
I'm not sure which indignity is worse: - Leaving your wife, shacking up with your former neighbor, and getting cheated on with a guy from your own poker forum, or... - Getting ripped off for $12,000 by a guy with neck tattoos
Either way, Micon needs to be thankful that phantom isn't visiting his girl's land down under.
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QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Feb 19 2009, 06:46 AM)
QUOTE(threebet @ Feb 18 2009, 03:20 PM)
QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Feb 19 2009, 07:08 AM)
3 bet Im gonna disagree with you for the simple reason that Druff's scenario is possible. Druff is just saying that its worth exploring and for 33k you would be too. Plus Druff has taken the initiative and made for an interesting Radio show or is at least trying to make it interesting. I believe it could be interesting just having some guy named confederate on the radio show. It really is astounding how hard Druff is working to make this a good site, despite losing at least half of the regular posters. If there were 3 Druffs running this site instead of a Micon, a Neverwin and a Druff, there would be 10 times the traffic as there is now.
Yeah and it's possible a monkey might fly out of my butt. Should I get that explored, too? I'm sure it'd be worth more than the 33k.
Its hard to believe that you would compare the chances of the stars servers fucking things up when they were overloaded to a feral primate being released from your anal cavity. I think this is a bad read.
Of course I know what you're saying. Either:
A. He looks like a dumbass; Stars feels sorry for him and ships him some charity
B. He looks like a dumbass; He gets nothing.
Obviously he has nothing to lose by trying as hard as possible to make Scenerio A happen, but I just wanted to let everyone know that he's FOS. That's all I was doing.
Hell as George Costanza once famously said, "It's not a lie if you believe it"
why is no one talking about how screwed tupapi got?
He had 75k taken from him
I didnt really read about any of this, so if its been dicussed fuck you
lol some 2=2 stuff about that
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobo Fett Plus the fact that Stars had tupapi believing he might have won the whole thing. That said, it does seem like there was a glitch and the end result was probably fair. People who would try to get the other $50K in tupapi's spot would be running a bit of an angle shoot IMO.
I doubt tupapi ever believed that he'd won the whole thing. Neonfrost spoke up about his "folded" hand immediately and said he had a queen flush before the river came out. When PS said they would treat every hand as all-in, tupapi said "that's fair" right away. I think everyone in the hand was disconnected at some point in the hand, so they all understand the connection probs.
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tupapi777 said, "neverwin, sit in dog, ure the only guy i can beat"'
tupapi777 said, "sit in fool"
now hes talking smack lol this is great
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QUOTE(MaxDreidel @ Feb 18 2009, 07:10 PM)
Just answer one question for me Druff.
If PokerStars took the time to review the hand and saw that the server had screwed Frost by timing him out and ended up awarding TWICE as many tournament prize packages by splitting the pot.... why would they have failed to fix "confedrates" situation when it would have cost them NOTHING to hand him some money from the 100k and avoid the extra attention over their server issues ? Seriously.... ?
They already knew they had a server issue, they knew half the friggin' online poker world was watching, they took quite a bit of time to review what had happened and in the end it actually cost them more money by reviewing the situation and splitting the pot. They had absolutely ZERO to gain by helping out one guy with the server issue and hurting the other.
If the guy hadn't been sitting out previously and had played even a single hand before the 25B hand I would be inclined to believe his intention was to play this one too.... if only the "sever" hadn't kept saying "please wait" and wouldn't let "confedrate" pay his "annie"... and I would also believe him when he says he was "jewd" but that he wasn't a racist, he is just a "southern gentleman" living in Sacramento with an email address of "rebellooking4u" with a "half-mexican" son and "jewish as his heritage" so how could he be racist for saying "jewd"....
I am not saying I am right but I watched most of it, and my gut instinct is that PokerStars had nothing to gain by leaving him out and actually spent a lot more money by not "jewd-ing" the Frost guy too.... it just doesn't add up. I am not buying it and neither were the angry mob waiting to kick this guy when he was down and still sitting at the table an hour later hinting for donations. If he had got robbed with that many people watching, there would have been some people being supportive instead of the non stop ridicule and ass raping.
It wouldn't surprise me if Stars ends up shipping him something for publicity's sake... but it doesn't change my view of what really happened.
Other than man/woman minutes spent reviewing the situation I fail to see how it cost them more money since they took the 150K meant for the winner of the hand and split it between the two who split resulting in them each getting 75K. the 250K originally meant for the table was not exceeded: 2 got 75K, and 3 got 33,333.33(possibly one of em got 33,333.34) equaling 250K. As far s the tournament packages that were up for grabs they likely will split them equally between the 2 "winners". If I am missing something let me know.
Yeah, I think you did miss something....
They announced that they were giving TWO complete prize packages because it was a split pot.... and one package went to a mucked hand.
PokerStars spent more money AFTER reviewing it by allowing Frost (who had timed out) to be included in the final pot even though his cards had been mucked. The 100k for the table split would have cost Stars absolutely ZERO to split with one more non-winner.
Nobody seems to be addressing the fact that the company spent 10's of thousands of dollars (the double prize package) more on a mucked hand being "replayed" because the guy was timed out, while supposedly deciding to screw some guy who can't spell "ante" saving themselves absolutely nothing. If PokerStars was up to shenanigans, they would have left Frost out of the mix also since his cards went into the muck and saved themselves a bunch of money.
The other interesting tidbit was the guy (Tupapi?) who originally won the whole thing was completely cool with his cash being cut in half when they reinstated the mucked hand of Frost because he knew it was fair.... but before the hand was dealt the other players were already bringing up the fact that Confedrate shouldn't qualify because he didn't post and NONE of them came to his defense when the TD came to the table... they knew what had happened just like 99% of the rest of us believe it happened.
Fuck it... I could be wrong but right now it can't be any clearer to me.... dude thought he would sit out and then jump in at last second, got shut out by the cruel hand of fate (and a "sever" that gave him a personalized message that nobody else ever got). Guess what motherfuckers, LIFE IS PATENTLY UNFAIR, deal with it.
Again, I could be completely wrong about all of this, I am just posting what I saw and what logic is dictating happened in this fucked up mind of mine.
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QUOTE(XdonkeyX @ Feb 19 2009, 08:03 AM)
QUOTE(rolled @ Feb 18 2009, 03:48 PM)
why is no one talking about how screwed tupapi got?
He had 75k taken from him
No, only 50k. They BOTH got the full tourny packages. And it was only fair. It was obvious the neon frost guy was timed out by a disconnect problem on Stars end. Tupapi even said it was fair.
Feb 18 2009, 11:50 AM
that's for effing sure!
