*** OFFICIAL *** NWP Radio Thread for 2/18/09, Screwed by Pokerstars 25 Billionth Hand + $100 Added Lock Tourney

what a dope that guy is then

he clearly didnt get screwed, if he had posted it would have taken a split second longer while his $1 was posted and they wouldnt have ended up the 25 billionth hand and he wouldnt have ended up in this spot where players from multiple forums have sent him money, some only pennies, but some also in the dollar amounts and im sure thats added up to at least a few hundred dollars, sure its no 25k but its probably a lot to a guy with an average tourney buy in of $1.14 who plays mostly .10 tourneys.

Isn't it pretty standard that even if you have chips on the table, if you're sitting out you don't get paid? The hand history before looks pretty clear. This reminds me of all the old people at the casino that try and make you post UTG+2 full ring because "you might miss the bad beat!" I hate that.

disagree.

the table was set for 25 Billionth hand (and paused) before asking him to post. Server is getting crushed. he clearly wants to and says he tried to post. The button disappears / doesn't work as we have all seen a stars button do during times of various disconnects.

So he made the rest of the guys some money by not posting blinds, He should be there hero
Also I wonder How many transfers this guy got not total $ but total over all transfers.


Posting blinds are never going to have the same meaning for this guy

Pokerstars should at least however give him a Congratulations for being At the 25th billionth Table email And send the poor Guy A baseball cap or Something

Micon Should freeroll confedarate Into the tourney tomorrow ,But be sure you show him how to post a blind before hand

Hold up.

I have only read part of the 2+2 thread (it's like 119 pages, and I am up to like 86), but I got to the part where someone posted the "Confedrate sits out" hand shown above.

This is misleading. They were at a high-speed table, so he was automatically sat out on the hand immediately following the one where he sat down. That is, it never showed him as sitting out. He was just waiting for the BB.

To prove this, I just did an experiment:

I sat at a high-speed $5/$10 table:

PokerStars Game #25075967440: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2009/02/18 6:49:06 ET
Table 'Himalia' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: RCec1 ($276 in chips)
Seat 2: Napasharky ($150 in chips)
Seat 3: Kala77 ($249 in chips)
Seat 4: SlickDickey ($364 in chips)
Seat 6: stronghawk ($762.50 in chips)
RCec1: posts small blind $2
Napasharky: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Kala77: folds
bone77 leaves the table
SlickDickey: raises $5 to $10
stronghawk: folds
RCec1: folds
Napasharky: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8c 2d]
Napasharky: checks
SlickDickey: bets $5
Dan Druff joins the table at seat #5
Napasharky: raises $5 to $10
SlickDickey: calls $5


The very next hand, it's still not my BB:

PokerStars Game #25075976215: Hold'em Limit ($5/$10) - 2009/02/18 6:49:40 ET
Table 'Himalia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RCec1 ($274 in chips)
Seat 2: Napasharky ($170 in chips)
Seat 3: Kala77 ($249 in chips)
Seat 4: SlickDickey ($344 in chips)
Seat 6: stronghawk ($762.50 in chips)
Napasharky: posts small blind $2
Kala77: posts big blind $5
Dan Druff: sits out


Mind you, I was never actually "sitting out". I was just waiting for the BB.

As far as Confedrate's situation here is concerned, an actual selection of "sitting out" and simply waiting for the BB are two VERY different situations.

Why?

If he clicked "Sitting Out", it can at least be assumed that he was just planting himself at the table and wasn't looking to play any time soon.

If the system AUTOMATICALLY sat him out as part of the "Wait for BB" procedure, it is possible that he was doing everything in his power to post the next hand, and the system simply wouldn't let him due to its server issues.

I believe that Confedrate never actually sat out, but was just forced into Wait for BB. So how can people say that he wasn't trying to get that undone?

How can that be ruled out?

Also, Hoss_TBF said this:

Okay, I read the entire 2+2 thread.

My mind has not changed.

I still think Stars should give Confedrate the benefit of the doubt here, because of the following very possible scenario:

1) Confedrate sits at the high speed, 6-max table 2 hands before what is to be the 25 billionth hand.

2) As is standard procedure at high speed tables, Confedrate is automatically placed in "Wait for BB" mode.

3) The next hand is dealt. This is NOT the 25 billionth hand. Confedrate is still waiting for BB.

4a) Confedrate tries to uncheck "Wait for BB", but the server is heavily bogged down and ignores it.
-or-
4b) Confedrate is suddenly disconnected by the server issues (this happened to a lot of people) and cannot click anything. Instead, he gets that obnoxious "Trying to connect" pop-up thing where you can check the status of the network, etc.

5) The next hand, the 25 billionth, is dealt. Due to either a disconnect (which is Stars' fault, not his) or the server malfunctioning and ignoring his unchecking of Wait for BB, he is not dealt in.


The above could have very easily happened. Whether it actually did or not is unimportant here. It easily COULD have, and there is no way to know whose story is true.

Stars should give the dude the benefit of the doubt and just award him the 33k. It would really make them look like a class act, and it's the right thing to do.

This may seem a bit nit picky, and i think someone posted this earlier, but if they award confederate money, then it would be 100K split 4 ways with each person getting 25K not 33K and the 2 that split the pot still get 75K each. Looking forward to hearing confederates version of story.

They all got $33k, though, and there's no way Stars is taking away $8,333 from these guys after-the-fact.

Confedrate should get at least what they got. I suppose it would also be satisfactory if they gave him $25k as a compromise, though.

I can see that reasoning Druff. However, the 3 players awarded money split the remaining 100K 3 ways resulting in them getting 33,333$, award confederate money and that 100K needs to be split 4 ways, if not Stars would essentially be expanding the prize pool by another 32K. If they go back and award confederate his alleged share and stick to the printed(published may be the better word) rules that stipulate how much money is being awarded and how that money is to be split they would have to take the 8,333 from the other 3 as the rules are clearly stated that the remaining olayers that don't win/split the hand are to split 100K. Honestly, if i were one of the 3 and Stars awarded confederate his alleged share, took $8,333 from me and the other 2 to make confederate's 25K ( 1/4 of the 100K prize pool) I may be upset but it would be clear to me why they did it and I would feel obligated to share the 100K 4 ways if there were 4 winners. Thus I could see stars taking that 8,333$ if they award confederate his alleged share.
That said, if stars does in fact award confederate his alleged share, the best idea from a marketing standpoint would be to let them keep their 33K, reach into their pockets (avoiding fish hooks) and pony up an additional 33K for confederate.

OBV if i were one of the folks that got 33K I would get it off of Stars ASAP.

Dan, would it help your interest in acquiring Scott Matusow's appearance if I told you that Scott thinks that pokerstars, along with the rest of online poker, is rigged, and has extremely complex theories explaining how and why it's rigged? The man has spoken to programmers, Druff. He has inside information that would be valuable for us all.

Dan, would it help your interest in acquiring Scott Matusow's appearance if I told you that Scott thinks that pokerstars, along with the rest of online poker, is rigged, and has extremely complex theories explaining how and why it's rigged? The man has spoken to programmers, Druff. He has inside information that would be valuable for us all.

Just answer one question for me Druff.


If PokerStars took the time to review the hand and saw that the server had screwed Frost by timing him out and ended up awarding TWICE as many tournament prize packages by splitting the pot.... why would they have failed to fix "confedrates" situation when it would have cost them NOTHING to hand him some money from the 100k and avoid the extra attention over their server issues ? Seriously.... ?







They already knew they had a server issue, they knew half the friggin' online poker world was watching, they took quite a bit of time to review what had happened and in the end it actually cost them more money by reviewing the situation and splitting the pot. They had absolutely ZERO to gain by helping out one guy with the server issue and hurting the other.


If the guy hadn't been sitting out previously and had played even a single hand before the 25B hand I would be inclined to believe his intention was to play this one too.... if only the "sever" hadn't kept saying "please wait" and wouldn't let "confedrate" pay his "annie"... and I would also believe him when he says he was "jewd" but that he wasn't a racist, he is just a "southern gentleman" living in Sacramento with an email address of "rebellooking4u" with a "half-mexican" son and "jewish as his heritage" so how could he be racist for saying "jewd"....


I am not saying I am right but I watched most of it, and my gut instinct is that PokerStars had nothing to gain by leaving him out and actually spent a lot more money by not "jewd-ing" the Frost guy too.... it just doesn't add up. I am not buying it and neither were the angry mob waiting to kick this guy when he was down and still sitting at the table an hour later hinting for donations. If he had got robbed with that many people watching, there would have been some people being supportive instead of the non stop ridicule and ass raping.



It wouldn't surprise me if Stars ends up shipping him something for publicity's sake... but it doesn't change my view of what really happened.

OMG I wish I would've never even posted in this thread because now I'm getting so tilted.

Druff,

You are trying to come up with some scenerio where he sat down a split second before the previous hand (thus not having time to post) AND the server crapping out before the 25 bill. hand (thus him not being able to post) AND pokerstars reviewing the situation and deciding to "screw" him AND the hundreds of people that were actually watching the hand and posting on 2+2 were all wrong when no one feels he got screwed.

Exactly how likely do you think your scenerio is?

The hand history before clearly shows he had an opportunity to post. He only came up with this wild angle shoot about not being able to post like 15-20 minutes after it happened because the other guy got disconnected totally unrelated to his situation. I was watching it and it was so obvious he was lying and grasping at straws to try and weasel some kind of deal. Just the fact that he called it an "annie" should give you a clue on who you're dealing with. Pokerstars had nothing to gain or lose from this. They were giving out $100k regardless if it was $25k x 4 or $33.33k x 3. You said they wouldn't take away the money from the other guys if they needed to. WRONG! They, in fact, took 50k away from the winner of the hand and gave it to the other guy who would've won the high if he didn't get disconnected. Do you notice out of all the people on 2+2 WHO WERE ACTUALLY WATCHING this unfold, no one is saying this guy got screwed? hmmmm. wonder why? Hoss TBF was simply stating that the hand number is stamped before someone posts. He was just clearing up that mini-discussion about it. He was in NO WAY addressing whether or not this guy got screwed, and I can't believe you're trying to spin it that way.

I see why people get so frustrated trying to talk to you. You form an opinion and never waiver from that opinion no matter what evidence is presented. That is a serious flaw you should work on. I was just trying to help you not sound like an idiot when you're putting on the home page "Guy gets screwed by pokerstars", without having an idea what you're talking about. Jesus, I'm sorry I even tried to help you out. Your "I'm right no matter what" disease is obviously incurable.

Anyone who choose "Confedrate" as a user name deserves to get screwed.

Druff,

I might be wrong but wasn't Confederate in the Seat 6? So if he was waiting for the big blind. Then he was one hand too late because, Seat 4 posted the big blind on this hand before the "SPECIAL" hand, therefore Seat 5 would of been the big blind and he is shit outta luck for not posted and waiting for the big blind.


Hand Before:

PokerStars Game #24999962428: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/02/16 1:34:12 PT [2009/02/16 4:34:12 ET]
Table 'Susilva' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: NeonFrost ($7 in chips)
Seat 2: tupapi777 ($112.25 in chips)
Seat 3: FrtSpkndMn ($22.25 in chips)
Seat 4: n47j25s ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 5: chris12080 ($43 in chips)
FrtSpkndMn: posts small blind $0.50
n47j25s: posts big blind $1
Confedrate: sits out