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Neverwinpoker.com _ Hall of Fame _ ***Official Dan Druff * on TV tonight reminder / rail thread***
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 10:49 AM
60 fucking minutes.
Druff has made it to the big time.
Watch / rail here
DON'T GET SHUT OUT
tonight / 7pm wherever you are
Posted by: Chinamaniac Nov 30 2008, 10:57 AM
Druff has made it to the big time.
Watch / rail here
DON'T GET SHUT OUT
tonight / 7pm wherever you are
Posted by: The_Standard Nov 30 2008, 11:30 AM
Kind of looking forward to seeing this for a few reasons, the biggest being there won't be a new fucking thread about this topic every hour on the hour anymore after tonight.
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 11:48 AM
is that 10pm stars time?
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 11:51 AM
Where are the asteriks? This isn't official
Posted by: Suicide_King Nov 30 2008, 11:52 AM
5 stars minimal to be official for a cause like this.
Posted by: Chinamaniac Nov 30 2008, 11:54 AM
7 i think
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 11:56 AM
7 i think
oh right 7pm on both coasts, I guess it depends which coast my stream will be coming from...most likely east hopefully
Posted by: hutmaster Nov 30 2008, 12:38 PM
Posted by: fuhoser Nov 30 2008, 02:34 PM
The air is heavy with anticipation.
What network is this ?
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 03:32 PM
CBS and my fucken stream isn't working at mo, anyone got another?!
Posted by: dual Nov 30 2008, 03:44 PM
nfl football > all
Posted by: MiconsGirl Nov 30 2008, 03:49 PM
5 stars minimal to be official for a cause like this.
7 stars added for official-ness
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 03:53 PM
Gonna interrupt the Lord of The Rings trilogy on TNT for this. It better deliver.
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 03:55 PM
someone upload ffs, I'm feeling all left out
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 03:55 PM
Posted by: ship Nov 30 2008, 03:56 PM
record it on dvr you broke nigs.
Posted by: ineeda2outer Nov 30 2008, 03:57 PM
football
Posted by: CoLeyeN Nov 30 2008, 03:58 PM
West coast is about to get shut out regardless of whether they want to or not
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 03:59 PM
gg jets
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 04:03 PM
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 04:21 PM
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 04:27 PM
Posted by: Atticus8182 Nov 30 2008, 04:39 PM
nice opening line Druff.
Posted by: fuhoser Nov 30 2008, 04:40 PM
Micky Rooney is still alive and on TV??? Todd, what was he like in person? Does he have as much presence in person ?
Posted by: BeerAndPoker Nov 30 2008, 04:40 PM
Starting now over here..
They used the online gambling is illegal in the USA line in the beginning obv.
They showed a .com url that is illegal.. CBS should get sued for that
Posted by: CharactrZer0 Nov 30 2008, 04:44 PM
there he is lololol
gg
Posted by: BeerAndPoker Nov 30 2008, 04:45 PM
Their is gaucho
Posted by: Paul ALLEN Nov 30 2008, 04:46 PM
Link?
Posted by: CharactrZer0 Nov 30 2008, 04:47 PM
turn tv to cbs obv...
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 04:47 PM
Posted by: CoLeyeN Nov 30 2008, 04:48 PM
LOL that shithole is AP
Posted by: Paul ALLEN Nov 30 2008, 04:48 PM
I sold my tv for the last deposit on PokerStars.
Posted by: CoLeyeN Nov 30 2008, 04:49 PM
By the way guys... I'd like to say online poker was fun while it lasted
Posted by: mwh72 Nov 30 2008, 04:52 PM
Ha ha, even a fat Indian Chief living in Canada won't admit he's Canadian. I don't blame you buddy.
Posted by: BeerAndPoker Nov 30 2008, 04:54 PM
Russ Hamilton can eat twinkies for the rest of his life now
Posted by: CharactrZer0 Nov 30 2008, 04:55 PM
that was a pretty good 60 minutes segment. nice job...
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 04:57 PM
Russ Hamilton lives in my hood!
Posted by: CharactrZer0 Nov 30 2008, 04:57 PM
how did you not crowbar nwp and :davidrobinson in there?
Posted by: ineeda2outer Nov 30 2008, 04:58 PM
we took there land fuck um'
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 04:58 PM
no NWP logo at all?
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 04:59 PM
Druff, why did it look like you were in love with the guy beside you in the interview when you glanced over to look at him?
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 04:59 PM
Posted by: GAMBLE-BOT Nov 30 2008, 04:59 PM
Micon says this started at 7 PM everywhere. It started at 6 in Txas so I missed all but the last 10 minutes. Goddamnit Micon you fucker.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 04:59 PM
could kind of see the side of the donkey logo when they showed Druff playing at the wsop.
gotta get ur boys to start wearing the hats.
Posted by: GAMBLE-BOT Nov 30 2008, 05:02 PM
could kind of see the side of the donkey logo when they showed Druff playing at the wsop.
gotta get ur boys to start wearing the hats.
especially when they are losing hair
Posted by: Bob Nov 30 2008, 05:03 PM
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Posted by: mwh72 Nov 30 2008, 05:04 PM
Druff did a good job.
Tiffany Michele
Posted by: uʍop ǝpısdn Nov 30 2008, 05:04 PM
Posted by: BeerAndPoker Nov 30 2008, 05:05 PM
When does the stars river card investigation special happen?
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 05:06 PM
could kind of see the side of the donkey logo when they showed Druff playing at the wsop.
gotta get ur boys to start wearing the hats.
pretty sure CBS would over rule people wearing baseball caps with tacky logos on them
Posted by: Paul ALLEN Nov 30 2008, 05:06 PM
FYP
Posted by: 4Dragons Nov 30 2008, 05:08 PM
if anyone vtr'd it, plz upload to thepokerbay.org
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 05:09 PM
ya someone upload one time, 4D hit up the Lious T thread
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 05:11 PM
Who wants $20 on Anderson Cooper? I'll take Phelps lol.
Posted by: threebet Nov 30 2008, 05:11 PM
The last clip of Dan Druff was about as bad as possible. Talking about how this could happen at any site will just scare people more than neccesary. I actually agree with you, and I know they just edit it as they please, but wow that came off terrible.
The whole story just made the whole industry seem shady. The story was pretty factual but wow they could have shown the industry in a better light. Like saying that many of the top sites are very well trusted, etc. It's not like anyone watching that report is going to rush to deposit on a site. If anything, it will make people who were weary just stay away completely.
What a nasty turn the whole online poker scene has taken the last couple of years.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 05:13 PM
meh, it's 60 Minutes. Pretty sure the story didn't change the mind of any of the geriatrics who regularly watch the show
Posted by: speedz99 Nov 30 2008, 05:17 PM
The whole story just made the whole industry seem shady. The story was pretty factual but wow they could have shown the industry in a better light. Like saying that many of the top sites are very well trusted, etc. It's not like anyone watching that report is going to rush to deposit on a site. If anything, it will make people who were weary just stay away completely.
It was a story about an illegal industry that seems not to care about a recent 20 million dollar scam. I'm not sure how you wanted them to handle it or put the industry in a better light.
And those were top sites everyone trusted until this shit happened.
Anyway, Druff you did a nice job.
Posted by: PAYforUSC Nov 30 2008, 05:18 PM
how long into the show does the segment air?
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 05:19 PM
I listened to it on the phone with reggiman. Obviously I will watch it when 7:00 rolls around here.
My reaction:
THE GOOD:
- They did a pretty good job explaining what happened.
- The tone of the piece was properly against AP/UB, and didn't buy into their BS excuses.
- They called out Russ Hamilton, and made several references to how nobody has been brought to justice yet.
THE BAD:
- They cut everything out regarding the benefits of legalization and regulation. They had interviewed Greg Raymen, Mike Sexton, and others about this, but chose to include none of it. They also did not include the parts where I talked about how a regulated environment would have likely prevented this mess.
- They made several references to online poker being "illegal", which it isn't. In addition, they claimed at one point that we didn't go to the police "because online poker is illegal", which isn't true. That almost made it sound equivalent to us being ripped off in a drug deal and being unable to report it for fear of getting in trouble ourselves.
- They made a few references to the players getting refunded, but ignored the important point that we should have gotten much more than that. Again, I mentioned this during the interview and it was completely cut out.
- They scared everyone at the end with my dire warning that "it could happen on other sites at any time". Ouch.
OVERALL:
I have mixed feelings about it. They did a good job (in their limited available time) calling out AP/UB for what happened, but vilified online poker somewhat and ignored the benefits of legalization/regulation.
Posted by: 4Dragons Nov 30 2008, 05:22 PM
ThePirateBay.org has a catalog of 60 Minutes episodes online now. I'll guess that it will be the place to find Druffs segment when it gets uploaded.
Posted by: Shucks Nov 30 2008, 05:25 PM
Shocker that Druff is getting crucified in the 2p2 thread about this.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 05:26 PM
sfobv that Anderson Cooper begged to do the Michael Phelps piece
Posted by: HelloThere Nov 30 2008, 05:27 PM
I am a large tool box that tried to lemonparty
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 05:28 PM
linky plz
Posted by: Shucks Nov 30 2008, 05:30 PM
linky plz
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/60-minutes-poker-story-sunday-351488/index19.html
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 05:30 PM
http://www.lemonparty.org
Posted by: ThreeUp3Down Nov 30 2008, 05:32 PM
Not as bad as I thought despite mentioning it being illegal like 4 times (which is true of running a site but not playing & they should have clarified) until the very end where Druff kind of raped us.
Posted by: threebet Nov 30 2008, 05:33 PM
The whole story just made the whole industry seem shady. The story was pretty factual but wow they could have shown the industry in a better light. Like saying that many of the top sites are very well trusted, etc. It's not like anyone watching that report is going to rush to deposit on a site. If anything, it will make people who were weary just stay away completely.
It was a story about an illegal industry that seems not to care about a recent 20 million dollar scam. I'm not sure how you wanted them to handle it or put the industry in a better light.
And those were top sites everyone trusted until this shit happened.
Anyway, Druff you did a nice job.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that you're a prime example of an average uninformed person that will be watching this.
Posted by: Hector Omar the Mexican Nov 30 2008, 05:34 PM
nothing but a bunch of idiots that want it swept under the rug. best chance for justice is for this to get out. i want russ hamilton behind bars along with the rest of them. aj green, scott tom all of them.
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 05:34 PM
Haha Andy Rooney you cheap mfer. Anyone else just see that?
Posted by: threebet Nov 30 2008, 05:35 PM
linky plz
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/60-minutes-poker-story-sunday-351488/index19.html
Wow, Druff is taking a beating.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 05:38 PM
Pretty sure you guys exaggerate the importance or relevance of online poker. The only people watching this were the regular +60 year old 60 mins audience and a bunch of poker nerds from 4 and pocket5s.
Posted by: IndyJoe Nov 30 2008, 05:40 PM
I haven't seen the actual video (just the text posted on the 60 Mins website) but I'd be pretty confident that his comment was not taken out of context in any way - they were fairly direct questions and answers.
Posted by: ThreeUp3Down Nov 30 2008, 05:40 PM
Who's the chic who is doing the woman on the frontline story? I want to do horrible things to her
Posted by: speedz99 Nov 30 2008, 05:40 PM
The whole story just made the whole industry seem shady. The story was pretty factual but wow they could have shown the industry in a better light. Like saying that many of the top sites are very well trusted, etc. It's not like anyone watching that report is going to rush to deposit on a site. If anything, it will make people who were weary just stay away completely.
It was a story about an illegal industry that seems not to care about a recent 20 million dollar scam. I'm not sure how you wanted them to handle it or put the industry in a better light.
And those were top sites everyone trusted until this shit happened.
Anyway, Druff you did a nice job.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that you're a prime example of an average uninformed person that will be watching this.
I'm know more about the online poker industry than 99% of Americans (that's a low estimate)...so you can imagine how little the vast vast majority of the country cares about high limit online poker players getting ripped off. Just saying. But regardless, you took my post the wrong way, not that it matters.
I like Anderson Cooper, but he gave Phelps a few too many "strip down to your speedo" looks in that segment.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 05:42 PM
Druff is a good man. If I had a bracelet and a bunch of poker geeks on a Sklansky site were bashing me I'm pretty sure I'd just respond w a bracelet pic.
If I wasn't banned.
Posted by: donk_tilt Nov 30 2008, 05:43 PM
Lemon party might be less gay than 2+2, cannot stand that site.
Posted by: PeanutButterFAIL Nov 30 2008, 05:44 PM
My reaction:
THE GOOD:
- They did a pretty good job explaining what happened.
- The tone of the piece was properly against AP/UB, and didn't buy into their BS excuses.
- They called out Russ Hamilton, and made several references to how nobody has been brought to justice yet.
THE BAD:
- They cut everything out regarding the benefits of legalization and regulation. They had interviewed Greg Raymen, Mike Sexton, and others about this, but chose to include none of it. They also did not include the parts where I talked about how a regulated environment would have likely prevented this mess.
- They made several references to online poker being "illegal", which it isn't. In addition, they claimed at one point that we didn't go to the police "because online poker is illegal", which isn't true. That almost made it sound equivalent to us being ripped off in a drug deal and being unable to report it for fear of getting in trouble ourselves.
- They made a few references to the players getting refunded, but ignored the important point that we should have gotten much more than that. Again, I mentioned this during the interview and it was completely cut out.
- They scared everyone at the end with my dire warning that "it could happen on other sites at any time". Ouch.
OVERALL:
I have mixed feelings about it. They did a good job (in their limited available time) calling out AP/UB for what happened, but vilified online poker somewhat and ignored the benefits of legalization/regulation.
This is 60 Minutes. Anything that doesn't follow their sensationalist agenda is cut out. The WHOLE STORY/TRUTH be damned.
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 05:46 PM
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 05:50 PM
about to watch it.
the 2+2 thread solidifies that they are all very, very repressed nerds that do not have sex without paying.
such a suckfest I can only read 5-10 replies because it's so repetitive because it is just a bunch of nerds participating in a giant online suckfest
suckfest.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 05:52 PM
Yup, I knew they'd be pretty brutal on 2+2 as soon as I heard that last statement of mine about it being able to happen anywhere.
I came out of the shadows of bandom there and exposed my open-secret fake account there to post this:
I understand that everyone is appalled about what I said at the end of the interview. Even I cringed when I heard it. (I haven't seen it yet, since I'm on the west coast, but I had a friend play it for me over the phone.) My intention was never to hurt online poker, and in fact I initially told 60 Minutes that I didn't want to do the interview if it was going to just slam online poker. I was promised that it would be done from a "we need to regulate this" sort of standpoint, and the inclusion of Greg Raymer and Mike Sexton in their initial interviews seemed to confirm that for me. Sadly, regulation/legalization was not part of this piece. Had I known that, I wouldn't have done it.
With that said, I was not taken out of context. I stated what I really felt to be the case, and still feel is the case. If you think it's impossible to be cheated anywhere but UP and AP, you are incredibly naive. For the most part, I trust sites like Full Tilt and Pokerstars, which is why I still play on them. However, no site is immune to what happened at AP/UB, and you should remember that the mere thought of ANY site having superusers would have been laughed off as paranoia just 16 months ago. 60 Minutes asked me if I felt this could happen anywhere, and I gave my answer. In retrospect, I would have avoided the question. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of a long and difficult Day 2 of the 10k Limit event when I did the interview (during the dinner break), and my mind wasn't all there.
I also made statements about the benefits of legalization/regulation (which were never shown). In addition, they did not air my statements that AP/UB should have done MORE for the cheated players than just refund their money. I was disappointed that they did not make that point anywhere in the piece.
Overall, they did a good job explaining (in simplified fashion) what occurred, and I'm glad they weren't shy about calling out the villains and not falling for their lines of BS. At the same time, I am highly disappointed they chose the direction of the segment to be more of a scare piece and virtually ignored the need for US legalization/regulation. I also did not like the repeated references to online poker being "illegal".
I apologize to the online poker community for my final comment in the interview. Had you seen my entire interview, you would probably think more positively of what I said, though I still admit I should have left that last part out for the good of online poker.
Mods, please leave this account active at least until this thread ends, then you can feel free to ban me again. Otherwise, this is my statement.
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 05:52 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4639016n
if it hasnt been posted already
Posted by: macon_marc Nov 30 2008, 06:00 PM
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 06:03 PM
well all I really took from that is I hate fat people even more now, the line about Hamilton winning his ''considerable weight'' in silver was lol
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 06:25 PM
QUICK RECAP
"if the bad player can see the hole cards, he will win everytime"
****ing wanker
honestly man u must have loved the camera time
although **** dan druff
oh wait.
Posted by: mit_it Nov 30 2008, 06:27 PM
Dan,
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 06:29 PM
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 06:29 PM
good piece.
don't blast druff too much for the river - remember CBS gets to edit 30 minutes of straight Druff to whatever they want.
I think it was very anti-UB / AP / Russ Hamilton / Chief Joe Norton just like it should have been - and again Druff is right that they should have included more about regulation.
overall, good
Posted by: TheBarrieKid Nov 30 2008, 06:31 PM
Dan I though you did a fine job.
everything you said was great and you came across well.
I think the segment was GOOD
online poker as a whole is shady already, not to mention they were caught cheating.
until the online industry is regulated so everyone can trust the sites, it should be made agaist the law everywhere.
Also, it so funny how ALOT of the high stakes players who got UB refunds, have started playing back there.
Fucking idiots.
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 06:33 PM
everything you said was great and you came across well.
I think the segment was GOOD
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 06:41 PM
Jewdonk if you respect the opinion of the nerd herd so much why don't you post over there instead?
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 06:47 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
My mind was kinda swiss cheese that day, so I can't tell you the exact question.
I think it had something to do with whether I think this could happen again.
I do think it could happen again. Anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid.
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 06:53 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
Posted by: onlinepokerbrokeme Nov 30 2008, 06:57 PM
Dan: I thought your last question response was spot on. I was a stout Absolute player since the start and I lost to Greycat and PotRipper and never got a penny back they gave me some lame excuse. In any event I quit playing online because of the fact that I beleive fully that stars and tilt are running the same scams just at small limits and nobody can even dispute the fact that it would be much harder to detect at stars or tilt do to the huge amount of players that are on those sites.
Online Poker for some is great and I applaud anybody whom makes a living playing it . The facts are that 95% of the players lose consistently for whatever reasons. I have thrown 8 wireless mouses against the wall and shattered them into pieces over stupid players bad beats or whatever you want to call it. I have actually broken the screen on a 4 motnh old laptop as well .
Obvious I have anger issues combined with 50k in losses online and thats not because im a shitty player as I keep detailed notes and financial records of live play as well and Im a winning player . LIVE.
Long live Druffs comment and for all of you whom win great the rest of you will never win despite the cheaters or bad play.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 06:57 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
If this happened to Marty, he would have called the interview an "ambush", like he does every time we make him look stupid on NWP radio.
Is this your new pet project? Are you done arguing with Weissman about whose living situation is more pathetic?
Posted by: Cocko Nov 30 2008, 06:58 PM
Forget government regulation let the free market take care of it.
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 06:59 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
Posted by: mit_it Nov 30 2008, 07:02 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 07:05 PM
who the fuck cares, it's like if Dateline did a segment on comic book shops and my friend Steveo made a bad remark about Batman, everyone would bitch and moan about how it looked bad for the industry when in fact we would all still read comic books and no one outside the comic book community would give a shit
Posted by: AwwYeahGirl Nov 30 2008, 07:06 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
PWNT
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 07:11 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
If this happened to Marty, he would have called the interview an "ambush", like he does every time we make him look stupid on NWP radio.
Is this your new pet project? Are you done arguing with Weissman about whose living situation is more pathetic?
Todd you have over 100 guys on 2+2 and pocketfags flaming the shit out of you right now.
Perhaps you could look elsewhere for someone to dump on. The perception is that you just took a giant shit all over online poker.
I don't think being 'tired' or having your mind on something else is any kind of excuse for the way you handled the interview.
Not to suggest you weren't knowledgeable, but considering you had very little to do with 'breaking the scandal' other than having a quick 'copy and paste' trigger finger...the whole premise is a fucking joke.
Nice closing line though. That was sweet
Thanks for helpin' out
Posted by: micon Nov 30 2008, 07:15 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
when you put quotes around "apology" I realize you are likely also munching on e-penis @ 2+2 at the same time
you think Druff wants to fuck up online poker? really?
and I'm sure Druff will tell you the question asked to illicit that response. Also he was likely off on a tangent and they used it completely out of context to make a good 60-minutes style story.
Posted by: 187_HoMiCiDe Nov 30 2008, 07:18 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
when you put quotes around "apology" I realize you are likely also munching on e-penis @ 2+2 at the same time
you think Druff wants to fuck up online poker? really?
and I'm sure Druff will tell you the question asked to illicit that response. Also he was likely off on a tangent and they used it completely out of context to make a good 60-minutes style story.
Micon shut the fuck up, this isn't nwp radio, i'm sure druff would tell you the same thing.
He is getting slaughtered by the entire online poker community right now, the last thing he needs is your illiterate corn bread talk
Posted by: mit_it Nov 30 2008, 07:20 PM
you think Druff wants to fuck up online poker? really?
and I'm sure Druff will tell you the question asked to illicit that response. Also he was likely off on a tangent and they used it completely out of context to make a good 60-minutes style story.
Wtf was it if it wasnt an apology? If he didnt give a fuck about how he's perceived in the online community, he wouldnt have posted that shit. And what the fuck is that shit bolded? Did you even READ the god damned thing?
Posted by: Azzclown Nov 30 2008, 07:23 PM
Is he going to use that excuse every time he looks bad on tv?
Posted by: HEX Nov 30 2008, 07:24 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
If this happened to Marty, he would have called the interview an "ambush", like he does every time we make him look stupid on NWP radio.
Is this your new pet project? Are you done arguing with Weissman about whose living situation is more pathetic?
Todd you have over 100 guys on 2+2 and pocketfags flaming the shit out of you right now.
Perhaps you could look elsewhere for someone to dump on. The perception is that you just took a giant shit all over online poker.
I don't think being 'tired' or having your mind on something else is any kind of excuse for the way you handled the interview.
Not to suggest you weren't knowledgeable, but considering you had very little to do with 'breaking the scandal' other than having a quick 'copy and paste' trigger finger...the whole premise is a fucking joke.
Nice closing line though. That was sweet
Thanks for helpin' out
What the fuck was he supposed to say? Are you saying it was wrong, or that he shouldn't have spoken that particular truth? Not that you're actually "saying" anything, just like those stupid cunts on that other forum.
Posted by: The Icon Nov 30 2008, 07:25 PM
link to the vid whenever it gets put up please, I missed it assuming they led with it.
Posted by: 187_HoMiCiDe Nov 30 2008, 07:25 PM
you think Druff wants to fuck up online poker? really?
and I'm sure Druff will tell you the question asked to illicit that response. Also he was likely off on a tangent and they used it completely out of context to make a good 60-minutes style story.
Wtf was it if it wasnt an apology? If he didnt give a fuck about how he's perceived in the online community, he wouldnt have posted that shit. And what the fuck is that shit bolded? Did you even READ the god damned thing?
Sorry Mit, we're on a different level over here at nwp.
Incase you didn't know
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 07:28 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4639016n
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 07:28 PM
Imagine the advertising opps Jewdonk, you could get paid over there for all the traffic you bring to forums
Posted by: Nada Dave Nov 30 2008, 07:28 PM
you think Druff wants to fuck up online poker? really?
and I'm sure Druff will tell you the question asked to illicit that response. Also he was likely off on a tangent and they used it completely out of context to make a good 60-minutes style story.
Did you even READ the god damned thing?
Micon doesn't read.
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 07:31 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
If this happened to Marty, he would have called the interview an "ambush", like he does every time we make him look stupid on NWP radio.
Is this your new pet project? Are you done arguing with Weissman about whose living situation is more pathetic?
Hey!
Posted by: repoman Nov 30 2008, 07:31 PM
Serious LOL at anyone who thinks this is bad for online poker. For that to be the case, the image of online poker has to be something that can be damaged - it can't (in case you've been napping for the last 2 years). You have to assume that telling the truth is bad for online poker (isn't that how we got here in the first place?). You have to assume John Q Public actually cares - they don't. You have to assume people think online poker is different than online gambling - they don't, and never will.
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 07:34 PM
yea we know you already repeated that about 50 times already.
We got it Todd, you were 'tired'
If this happened to Marty, he would have called the interview an "ambush", like he does every time we make him look stupid on NWP radio.
Is this your new pet project? Are you done arguing with Weissman about whose living situation is more pathetic?
Todd you have over 100 guys on 2+2 and pocketfags flaming the shit out of you right now.
Perhaps you could look elsewhere for someone to dump on. The perception is that you just took a giant shit all over online poker.
I don't think being 'tired' or having your mind on something else is any kind of excuse for the way you handled the interview.
Not to suggest you weren't knowledgeable, but considering you had very little to do with 'breaking the scandal' other than having a quick 'copy and paste' trigger finger...the whole premise is a fucking joke.
Nice closing line though. That was sweet
Thanks for helpin' out
If online poker did get completely shutdown, that would actually help you out. Since the internet is quickly tearing your life apart.
Thats the difference between you and Druff, do you think he gives a fuck how many people are "flaming" him on 2p2? Only you do man, only you....Jesus christ....you've been on here all day, and all you've played is a fuckin six dollar sng...Go buy some pussy..
Posted by: Azzclown Nov 30 2008, 07:36 PM
Yes.
Posted by: onlinepokerbrokeme Nov 30 2008, 07:40 PM
Fuck those COCKSUCKING SHILLS AT POCKET5INCHESINTHEASS and the FUCKTARDS AT 2+2 = OLD DIRTY RETARD FUCKING SHITBAG.
I HATE THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS
HEY JEWDONK WHY ARE YOU STARTING SHIT ANYWAYS ?
ONLINE POKER WAS RIGGED WHEN ALLS THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS SAID NO NO NO IT NEVER WOULD OR COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE THE SITES WOULD LOSE TO MUCH .
IM CALLING BULLSHIT ESPECIALLY IN CAPS BECAUSE OF ALL YOU COCKSUCKERS WHO HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE BUT TO SIT IN FRONT OF YOUR CPU ALL DAY LOOKING AT BIGBLACKCOCKS AND THINKING YOUR WINNING AT ONLINE POKER>
THE ONLY PEOPLE WINNING ARE THE SITES PERIOD AND A FEW VERY AND I MEAN VERY DISCIPLINED PLAYERS
Posted by: michael Nov 30 2008, 07:47 PM
Posted by: Poker_Baller Nov 30 2008, 07:52 PM
Druff in your posts you say, 60 mins is wrong in saying online poker is Illegal. Can you explain how it is not illegal if the government has cut off most ways to fund an online poker account and the sites can only use their .Net URLs when advertising on tv as a, "Non gambling site"?
If online poker was legal wouldn't their be online poker sites based in the US and sites would be free to advertise as they wish?
What makes online poker legal? Is it just the fact that there is no law against actually playing it in the US? So you can't be locked up for playing it but they just make it a bitch to deposit or withdraw?
Posted by: IndianaSlim Nov 30 2008, 07:55 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
Posted by: The Icon Nov 30 2008, 07:55 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4639016n
thx just watched it. I'm assuming everyone is piling on Druff for the comment at the very end of the vid?
I didn't really hear anything he said that would be unfactual ... he probably should have said site=joke at the end tho.
Posted by: Shooz Nov 30 2008, 07:57 PM
Too bad you guys didn''t bother talking to any Montrealers. A little digging and you could have had interviews with the geeks who used to work for these companies on the reserve....
Your story was not even spit in the ocean of the corruption that takes place at Kahnawake.
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Posted by mtlborn at 10:50 PM : Nov 30, 2008
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 08:12 PM
If online poker was legal wouldn't their be online poker sites based in the US and sites would be free to advertise as they wish?
What makes online poker legal? Is it just the fact that there is no law against actually playing it in the US? So you can't be locked up for playing it but they just make it a bitch to deposit or withdraw?
Has anyone ever been prosecuted for playing poker online?
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 08:12 PM
If online poker was legal wouldn't their be online poker sites based in the US and sites would be free to advertise as they wish?
What makes online poker legal? Is it just the fact that there is no law against actually playing it in the US? So you can't be locked up for playing it but they just make it a bitch to deposit or withdraw?
Has anyone ever been prosecuted for playing poker online?
Posted by: speedz99 Nov 30 2008, 08:16 PM
This is hilarious to me.
1. His comment at the end was correct...of course cheating can and will happen again. Also, of course in a long interview about online poker he would say that at some point. He's not a moron.
2. The "online poker community" has absolutely no clue about the general population's perception of online poker. Some people seem to get caught up in their own little worlds and forget that nobody gives a fuck about them...part of that probably comes from sitting in front of a computer all day. The average person doesn't care any more about online poker issues than you care about the shitkicker union's issues in bumblefuck, ohio.
Posted by: The Icon Nov 30 2008, 08:20 PM
This is hilarious to me.
1. His comment at the end was correct...of course cheating can and will happen again. Also, of course in a long interview about online poker he would say that at some point. He's not a moron.
2. The "online poker community" has absolutely no clue about the general population's perception of online poker. Some people seem to get caught up in their own little worlds and forget that nobody gives a fuck about them...part of that probably comes from sitting in front of a computer all day. The average person doesn't care any more about online poker issues than you care about the shitkicker union's issues in bumblefuck, ohio.
Posted by: repoman Nov 30 2008, 08:21 PM
Interesting post by Josem on 4:
I think he is missing something really obvious here: There isn't another Enron because there is the legitimate fear of getting caught and prosecuted. If you can't enjoy the spoils of your ill gotten gains, there is no point in getting them. Online poker is totally different, you can steal with absolute impunity, and everyone knows it. It is this fact, and the fact that people are inherently greedy, that will guarantee more scandals will occur, including big ones.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 08:28 PM
I don't care if people on 2+2 want to criticize me. Big deal. If I cared so much about people saying nasty things about me on the internet, I wouldn't be involved in a site like this.
I apologized for my comment because I didn't want to do anything to hurt online poker. It's not that I disagree with what they showed me saying, because I still stand by what I said. I was not taken out of context. I just shouldn't have said it, because I don't want to scare potential donks away from playing.
At the same time, I think we have a real problem with the fact that the industry is still completely unregulated and vulnerable to the same BS happening again. Worst yet, there is no consequence for anyone (or any company) that cheats us.
Posted by: Suicide_King Nov 30 2008, 08:29 PM
the last comment did sound bad, but sometimes the truth sucks.
Posted by: onlinepokerbrokeme Nov 30 2008, 08:37 PM
Sorry Druff the only donks or potential donks went broke a long time ago. Your truth shall set the poot people free of ever having to suffer through the scandals and divorce and beatings of children and loss of homes and bank accounts and cars that the crooks of online poker have done to many many people. I would venture to say that Gamblers Anonymous meetings have tripled since Moneymaker won the world series of poker filled with 18-45 yr olds whom have lost everything they own to cheaters in online poker .
Again people open your minds and think about it . You send your money too Hector Nacho Sanchez Guitterezz in San Jose Costa Rica. Who the fuck is that you might as well shit your money down the toilet or give it to your local charity to actually help the suckers that have gone broke .
I hope every fucking grandma and grandpa that saw this on 60 minutes tongiht beats the living fucking hell out of there grandkids and kids whom play online poker.
Hmmm Unregulated companies stealing millions and having no lawfull action taken against them accept for a 2 million dollar fine paid to whom else but themselves . Get a fucking clue
If you think for one second that Stars and Tilt are not skimming some how than your suppose to catch the short bus at 8:00am tommorow
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 08:42 PM
Again people open your minds and think about it . You send your money too Hector Nacho Sanchez Guitterezz in San Jose Costa Rica. Who the fuck is that you might as well shit your money down the toilet or give it to your local charity to actually help the suckers that have gone broke .
I hope every fucking grandma and grandpa that saw this on 60 minutes tongiht beats the living fucking hell out of there grandkids and kids whom play online poker.
Hmmm Unregulated companies stealing millions and having no lawfull action taken against them accept for a 2 million dollar fine paid to whom else but themselves . Get a fucking clue
If you think for one second that Stars and Tilt are not skimming some how than your suppose to catch the short bus at 8:00am tommorow
:stfu
Posted by: phantom Nov 30 2008, 08:51 PM
can someone post another good comment so i can reply with
Posted by: Nada Dave Nov 30 2008, 08:51 PM
Again people open your minds and think about it . You send your money too Hector Nacho Sanchez Guitterezz in San Jose Costa Rica. Who the fuck is that you might as well shit your money down the toilet or give it to your local charity to actually help the suckers that have gone broke .
I hope every fucking grandma and grandpa that saw this on 60 minutes tongiht beats the living fucking hell out of there grandkids and kids whom play online poker.
Hmmm Unregulated companies stealing millions and having no lawfull action taken against them accept for a 2 million dollar fine paid to whom else but themselves . Get a fucking clue
If you think for one second that Stars and Tilt are not skimming some how than your suppose to catch the short bus at 8:00am tommorow
Step away from the
Posted by: Paul ALLEN Nov 30 2008, 08:54 PM
That looks like a 1/4 right?
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 08:55 PM
prlly more like 10g's
Posted by: HEX Nov 30 2008, 08:55 PM
That's more than a quarter, nigger.
Posted by: Luckwinsout Nov 30 2008, 08:57 PM
I just want to say that Yes there should have been more talk about the need to regulate. Todd, you're comments were 100% correct and for you to apologize is insane. Well done.
Posted by: Nada Dave Nov 30 2008, 08:58 PM
prlly more like 10g's
Beats me. Ask Marty.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLR,GGLR:2006-14,GGLR:en&q=ripptyde&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Posted by: cmoney Nov 30 2008, 08:59 PM
FUCK THOSE IDIOTS AT TWO PLUS TWO. DRUFF DID A GOOD JOB. ANY ONE WITH A BRAIN AFTER WATCHING THAT, WOULD REALIZE THIS IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE LEGALIZED AND REGULATED.
Posted by: Paul ALLEN Nov 30 2008, 09:10 PM
FUCK THOSE IDIOTS AT TWO PLUS TWO. DRUFF DID A GOOD JOB. ANY ONE WITH A BRAIN AFTER WATCHING THAT, WOULD REALIZE THIS IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE LEGALIZED AND REGULATED.
Then you would be out of a job right?
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 09:11 PM
He wasn't wrong but he shouldn't have said that and he realizes that.
Posted by: Cocko Nov 30 2008, 09:15 PM
He wasn't wrong but he shouldn't have said that and he realizes that.
Politics before honesty OBV
Posted by: Suicide_King Nov 30 2008, 09:15 PM
Posted by: soccertease Nov 30 2008, 09:17 PM
The official phantom photo album thread is the best thread in the history of NWP.
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 09:23 PM
He wasn't wrong but he shouldn't have said that and he realizes that.
Money over Bitches OBV
Posted by: tbuck27 Nov 30 2008, 09:38 PM
All you Druff haters need to STFU and realize that Todd not only went out of his way to initially help expose the AP/UP scumbags, but he also took the time to give 60 minutes this story during a WSOP event. There is NO WAY Todd would knowingly support a reporter's view that ALL sites are shady and your money is in serious jeopardy if you are dumb enough to continue playing online, which is what I feel was the angle of the final segment. If anything, Todd was yet again a victim of "creative" journalism, ala his previous interview with ESPN where producers conveniently and strategically insert a comment out of context of the original conversation in order to stir the pot and/or make their story more shocking or "interesting". I know first hand all about this as I too was on 60 minutes, 48 hours, Fox News, cover of Sports Illustrated, etc. for my epic sports betting as a college kid in the late 90's ( cover of Feb 98' for those who call bullshit) Anyway, 60 minutes and a few of the other media outlets did EXACTLY the same thing to me by making it appear that I was single handedly attempting to take on the government's view that online sports wagering was illegal, etc. Some of the quotes they conveniently inserted made me look like a complete hard ass who was willing to challenge the government to a pissing match, when in fact I was lobbying for regulation and taxation even back then. Hence, I stopped granting interviews and will NEVER lend my story to anyone in the media ever again because of the way I was portrayed. So again, get off Druff's nuts if you think he was anything but in.formative and helpful to 60 minutes' story and FUCK them for twisting his words. That is all.
Oh, and check out this guy's Myspace that he posted on the 60 minutes forum about the show....LOLZ
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=6480734
:sweetblog and :tightlife
Posted by: Hector Omar the Mexican Nov 30 2008, 09:40 PM
druff, fuck those faggots over at 2+2. fucking idiots that use the term "hysteria" over this little episode. it means fucking nothing other than a lot more heat on the perpetrators of this ghastly crime. russ hamilton needs to go to prison.
no way in hell this is going to throw online poker into a tailspin. what the gov't did in terms of legislation, the uigea, outweighs this 1000 to 1
2+2 fags..........
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 09:41 PM
How does someone associated with NWP get taken seriously enough to appear on 60 Minutes?
Dan druff - How dumb can you be ?
Dan Druff couldn't help his fat, gibbering face from opening up and missing an opportunity for everyone to think he's a smart person. Earth to Druff, there are people 99% more eloquent than you with better ideas, you don't need to be an egotistical maniac every time you publicly speak.
FU Dan Druff
You should have seen the story to be aired and given consent, and since you didn't you are an ignorant a**hole
**** OFF
wtf how did dan druff get interviewed
Actually,
F U DAN DRUFF
so after seeing the 60 min piece im playing .5/1 plo and micon is shortstacking in my game...lol
Posted by: ship Nov 30 2008, 09:45 PM
How does someone associated with NWP get taken seriously enough to appear on 60 Minutes?
Dan druff - How dumb can you be ?
Dan Druff couldn't help his fat, gibbering face from opening up and missing an opportunity for everyone to think he's a smart person. Earth to Druff, there are people 99% more eloquent than you with better ideas, you don't need to be an egotistical maniac every time you publicly speak.
FU Dan Druff
You should have seen the story to be aired and given consent, and since you didn't you are an ignorant a**hole
**** OFF
wtf how did dan druff get interviewed
Actually,
F U DAN DRUFF
so after seeing the 60 min piece im playing .5/1 plo and micon is shortstacking in my game...lol
neat, anonymous comments from various idiots/haters.
Edit: assumed this was posted on the cbs page, don't know where it came from.. might not be anonymous/still idiots however.
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 09:46 PM
Seriously, Jewdonk quotes any fuckin idiot as long as it goes with his agenda. Standard practice of being the biggest Troll we have.
Posted by: HEX Nov 30 2008, 09:47 PM
How does someone associated with NWP get taken seriously enough to appear on 60 Minutes?
Dan druff - How dumb can you be ?
Dan Druff couldn't help his fat, gibbering face from opening up and missing an opportunity for everyone to think he's a smart person. Earth to Druff, there are people 99% more eloquent than you with better ideas, you don't need to be an egotistical maniac every time you publicly speak.
FU Dan Druff
You should have seen the story to be aired and given consent, and since you didn't you are an ignorant a**hole
**** OFF
wtf how did dan druff get interviewed
Actually,
F U DAN DRUFF
so after seeing the 60 min piece im playing .5/1 plo and micon is shortstacking in my game...lol
You're right, Jew, those people are fucking idiots. I laugh at their stupid asses too.
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 09:52 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 09:54 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
Im just sayin, I remember like a week after Reggin Killa got you fired from your job he said something negative about me and you quoted him and put it in your sig.
Quality over quantity
Posted by: BennyProfane Nov 30 2008, 09:57 PM
The segment will have very little impact on any level. Degenerates will continue to play, internet poker will continue on unregulated, and Russ Hamilton's fat ass will remain free. Obviously Druff meant well, but the whole segment certainly comes off as a clusterfuck for people who make a living playing poker online.
Posted by: HEX Nov 30 2008, 09:57 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
What a fucking joke. You hate those people and rag on them at every opportunity until it suits your dumbass purposes to pretend that they have any credibility at all, which you know is laughable.
Posted by: The_Standard Nov 30 2008, 09:59 PM
Instead of cramming a topic like this into a 12 minute segment on 60 minutes, they should have dedicated an entire hour to this. They could have covered so much more, like regulation, many more interviews from big players in the poker world, statements from Pokerstars and FTP, etc.
Druff didn't hurt online poker at all, in fact, he helped it. He came across as well informed and intelligent.
Fuck Jewdonk for trying to bring him and everyone else down. He is the biggest life failure on the planet and has zero credibility at all anywhere.
Go post on your 2+2 account "Pure Talent" you fucking ugly old man.
Posted by: Jewdonk Nov 30 2008, 10:03 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
Im just sayin, I remember like a week after Reggin Killa got you fired from your job he said something negative about me and you quoted him and put it in your sig.
Quality over quantity
Weiss YOU were far more 'responsible' for that episode than Reggin Killa considering you were the one that posted the email addresses in the first place.
But it was a shitty job anyway you did me a favor.
Look at you man its 1 AM on the east coast and you are posting from your mommies computer STILL obsessing about me... this started at 8 AM this morning lmao
fucking SAD
smoke a big fat Bob Marley joint, pop a few dozen Oxy's and chase it down with a Big Gulp of Popov
get it over with already son
Posted by: HEX Nov 30 2008, 10:06 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
Im just sayin, I remember like a week after Reggin Killa got you fired from your job he said something negative about me and you quoted him and put it in your sig.
Quality over quantity
Weiss YOU were far more 'responsible' for that episode than Reggin Killa considering you were the one that posted the email addresses in the first place.
But it was a shitty job anyway you did me a favor.
Look at you man its 1 AM on the east coast and you are posting from your mommies computer STILL obsessing about me... this started at 8 AM this morning lmao
fucking SAD
smoke a big fat Bob Marley joint, pop a few dozen Oxy's and chase it down with a Big Gulp of Popov
get it over with already son
Holy fuck, how many times are you gonna repeat that same shit? Thank god for Weiss's suicide attempt or you wouldn't have a fucking thing to say, huh?
Posted by: Weiss IS Nice™ Nov 30 2008, 10:18 PM
don't shoot the messenger. I just quoted the MANY comments from what...at least 30 or 40 different 'anonymus' posters who happen to think Druff is a fucking douchebag.
no agenda here buddy, just representin the overwhelming masses who aren't gagging on Todd's jewsack
Im just sayin, I remember like a week after Reggin Killa got you fired from your job he said something negative about me and you quoted him and put it in your sig.
Quality over quantity
Weiss YOU were far more 'responsible' for that episode than Reggin Killa considering you were the one that posted the email addresses in the first place.
But it was a shitty job anyway you did me a favor.
Look at you man its 1 AM on the east coast and you are posting from your mommies computer STILL obsessing about me... this started at 8 AM this morning lmao
fucking SAD
smoke a big fat Bob Marley joint, pop a few dozen Oxy's and chase it down with a Big Gulp of Popov
get it over with already son
lol, I have been making money playing poker all day.
You have been here just as long and played 1 six dollar sng.
Funny how you're now trying to extort Pete for 200 bucks to get back in your fucking gay circle of trust. LOL
I know, sad, I spent my sunday on the computer playing poker and posting on NWP, I wish I was more like you....not playing poker and just sitting here posting all day.....Damn you always own me
also, way to point out a completely irrelevant point about losing your job and not pointing out the fact that you will use any source for your quote as long as it fits your sad agenda of flaming people on the internet to "pwn" them
Posted by: PAYforUSC Nov 30 2008, 10:19 PM
2. The "online poker community" has absolutely no clue about the general population's perception of online poker. Some people seem to get caught up in their own little worlds and forget that nobody gives a fuck about them...part of that probably comes from sitting in front of a computer all day. The average person doesn't care any more about online poker issues than you care about the shitkicker union's issues in bumblefuck, ohio.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 10:23 PM
Marty, if we're going to go with your opinion that being criticized by "30 to 40 people" on 2+2 is something to be ashamed of, what does that say about you?
Remember that awful thread you started there about the Buss/Mariani charity tournament, where 100% of the respondents tore you a new asshole?
How come they were "clueless 2+2 nerds" when they went off on you, yet totally on the ball when they're insulting me?
Oh, I forgot... because just as Weiss and countless other people have pointed out, Marty will quote anyone or anything if it supports his pathetic, obsessive agenda.
Sad.
Posted by: PokerPete Nov 30 2008, 10:27 PM
Remember that awful thread you started there about the Buss/Mariani charity tournament, where 100% of the respondents tore you a new asshole?
How come they were "clueless 2+2 nerds" when they went off on you, yet totally on the ball when they're insulting me?
Oh, I forgot... because just as Weiss and countless other people have pointed out, Marty will quote anyone or anything if it supports his pathetic, obsessive agenda.
Sad.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 10:31 PM
Well, looks like my ALECTRO account on 2+2 is done.
You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
Posted by: cmoney Nov 30 2008, 10:34 PM
Remember that awful thread you started there about the Buss/Mariani charity tournament, where 100% of the respondents tore you a new asshole?
How come they were "clueless 2+2 nerds" when they went off on you, yet totally on the ball when they're insulting me?
Oh, I forgot... because just as Weiss and countless other people have pointed out, Marty will quote anyone or anything if it supports his pathetic, obsessive agenda.
Sad.
JEWDONK IS MASTURBATING HIMSELF TO SLEEP BECAUSE YOU WROTE ABOUT HIM
WHY EVEN BOTHER?
Posted by: scottyno Nov 30 2008, 10:36 PM
sure cheating could happen again on other sites and probably will, but why give them the quote when you know 100% they're going to use it. regardless of the fact that some other sites arent even set up so having a superuser is possible, everyone knows it could happen, but it could happen in any other industry too so you arent adding any new information to the discussion by speculating that it could happen with no evidence to support it, while you're giving them the exact quote they want to scaremonger people away from gambling online
Posted by: pilotfish Nov 30 2008, 10:40 PM
So when he was asked if this could happen again should he have taken the fifth or just said that everything was rosy and the problem was solved? If it hurts to tell the truth , then maybe the industry needs a little pain.
Posted by: ship Nov 30 2008, 10:45 PM
Remember that awful thread you started there about the Buss/Mariani charity tournament, where 100% of the respondents tore you a new asshole?
How come they were "clueless 2+2 nerds" when they went off on you, yet totally on the ball when they're insulting me?
Oh, I forgot... because just as Weiss and countless other people have pointed out, Marty will quote anyone or anything if it supports his pathetic, obsessive agenda.
Sad.
JEWDONK IS MASTURBATING HIMSELF TO SLEEP BECAUSE YOU WROTE ABOUT HIM
martin is out for the count.
Posted by: The_Standard Nov 30 2008, 10:48 PM
Remember that awful thread you started there about the Buss/Mariani charity tournament, where 100% of the respondents tore you a new asshole?
How come they were "clueless 2+2 nerds" when they went off on you, yet totally on the ball when they're insulting me?
Oh, I forgot... because just as Weiss and countless other people have pointed out, Marty will quote anyone or anything if it supports his pathetic, obsessive agenda.
Sad.
JEWDONK IS MASTURBATING HIMSELF TO SLEEP BECAUSE YOU WROTE ABOUT HIM
martin is out for the count.
It's nap time for Marty.
Posted by: scottyno Nov 30 2008, 10:49 PM
So when he was asked if this could happen again should he have taken the fifth or just said that everything was rosy and the problem was solved? If it hurts to tell the truth , then maybe the industry needs a little pain.
the problem is that telling "the truth" can be said about pretty much any industry in the world. if they were doing a story on some other scandal should the person being interviewed say that "this probably still is happening and will happen again"? You know they're going to use the quote, and you know they arent going to give you a chance to elaborate. He should have said that other sites are set up so that there cant be superusers, and that this major cheating is confined just to pokerstars and full tilt with no evidence of anything undetected happening on the other sites.
Posted by: DanDruff Nov 30 2008, 10:53 PM
So when he was asked if this could happen again should he have taken the fifth or just said that everything was rosy and the problem was solved? If it hurts to tell the truth , then maybe the industry needs a little pain.
the problem is that telling "the truth" can be said about pretty much any industry in the world. if they were doing a story on some other scandal should the person being interviewed say that "this probably still is happening and will happen again"? You know they're going to use the quote, and you know they arent going to give you a chance to elaborate. He should have said that other sites are set up so that there cant be superusers, and that this major cheating is confined just to pokerstars and full tilt with no evidence of anything undetected happening on the other sites.
Nobody knows how secure the other sites actually are.
That was my point.
Posted by: The_Standard Nov 30 2008, 10:57 PM
So when he was asked if this could happen again should he have taken the fifth or just said that everything was rosy and the problem was solved? If it hurts to tell the truth , then maybe the industry needs a little pain.
the problem is that telling "the truth" can be said about pretty much any industry in the world. if they were doing a story on some other scandal should the person being interviewed say that "this probably still is happening and will happen again"? You know they're going to use the quote, and you know they arent going to give you a chance to elaborate. He should have said that other sites are set up so that there cant be superusers, and that this major cheating is confined just to pokerstars and full tilt with no evidence of anything undetected happening on the other sites.
Nobody knows how secure the other sites actually are.
That was my point.
I do see your point, but I would be willing to bet that Pokerstars is as legit as it gets.
They actually seem to give a shit unlike most of the other sites.
Posted by: hutmaster Nov 30 2008, 11:32 PM
It is not often I agree with Druff, but I really see nothing wrong with what he said and I seriously doubt that the online poker world will suffer as a result. What he said was factual. If anyone thinks that another cheating scandal can't happen again is living in a fantasy land. Pokerstars may be the most reputable site and I don't think there is any cheating going on there but to think it can't happen is naive. All it takes is one rogue employee with an axe to grind. A buddy of mine used to have a software company, he terminated his chief programmer who also was responsible for maintaining their servers. He spent close to $50,000 afterwards to hire an audit firm to scrutinize the code and the servers to find out if any backdoors had been built into it that would enable this individual to get back in. Do the pokersites have similar protocols in place? Who knows because they operate in a shroud of secrecy. Druff's calls for regulation are spot on.
Posted by: goodeats Nov 30 2008, 11:36 PM
Todd came off well in the interview. His comments at the end were absolutely true and it's insane to think that they are more detrimental to online poker than the cheating scandal itself.
The twats on 2+2 should be mad at Russ Hamilton, Scott Tom, and the rest of the shady fucks at AP/UB; they created this mess, and they have harmed all poker players.
Posted by: tbuck27 Nov 30 2008, 11:40 PM
Posted by: TeamRazor Dec 1 2008, 01:06 AM
Posted by: Chinamaniac Dec 1 2008, 01:22 AM
This is a banned poster who is appologizing for his poor performance on the 60 Minutes show and who is affiliated with a poker site that we feel is highly damaging to our industry.
If there had been any information in the post that might have had real relevance to this issue we would have made an exception to our normal policies and allowed the post to remain. But there wasn't.
Mason Malmuth
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 01:39 AM
If there had been any information in the post that might have had real relevance to this issue we would have made an exception to our normal policies and allowed the post to remain. But there wasn't.
Mason Malmuth
What a cocksucker.
Actually, I bet Mason is additionally bitter because I used the ALECTRO account to call him out on his highly biased (and grossly inaccurate) "Pokerstars VIP is Better than Rakeback" article in the 2+2 magazine. He didn't realize I was ALECTRO at the time, but I'm sure he's even more pissed now that he realizes who was calling him out.
So let me get this straight...
Black cocks on a poker forum = Damaging to the poker industry
Having a well-known poker author tell an emotionally disturbed girl to kill herself, and she does so a month later = NOT damaging to the poker industry
That's Malmuth logic for ya!
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 01:46 AM
In fact, now that I think about it, I think it's likely that Mason deleted all of ALECTRO's posts on the 60 Minutes thread in order to cover for his true agenda -- to wipe out my critical posts in a different thread about his Pokerstars VIP article.
Rarely on 2+2 do they delete all posts of a banned user. They just ban him, and that's that -- unless there's something inherently wrong with the posts themselves. None of ALECTRO's 24 posts broke any rules.
By deleting all of my posts (even ones months ago) and using the "user is already banned" excuse, he gets to wipe out the content he'd really rather people not see.
Lame.
Posted by: repoman Dec 1 2008, 01:49 AM
Posted by: DaddyFatStack Dec 1 2008, 01:52 AM
I thought that Druff came off very well, and although it wasn't said out loud, many people likely made the jump themselves that it wouldn't be an issue if online gaming was regulated like b&m casinos.
nh druff on a good interview
Posted by: tbuck27 Dec 1 2008, 01:52 AM
If there had been any information in the post that might have had real relevance to this issue we would have made an exception to our normal policies and allowed the post to remain. But there wasn't.
Mason Malmuth
Well FUCK YOU Mason for using misspelled words that are highly damaging to my intellect...... Furthermore, if it weren't for your publishing company, you would be totally irrelevant to the poker world altogether, so STFU you crusty fag. Lastly, 2+2 is the most popular poker forum for reasons I can't comprehend, other than just total randomness. It sure as fuck isn't because of you, your software, or your creepy sociopath "friends" you roll with. Get AIDS and die.
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 02:00 AM
If there had been any information in the post that might have had real relevance to this issue we would have made an exception to our normal policies and allowed the post to remain. But there wasn't.
Mason Malmuth
Well FUCK YOU Mason for using misspelled words that are highly damaging to my intellect...... Furthermore, if it weren't for your publishing company, you would be totally irrelevant to the poker world altogether, so STFU you crusty fag. Lastly, 2+2 is the most popular poker forum for reasons I can't comprehend, other than just total randomness. It sure as fuck isn't because of you, your software, or your creepy sociopath "friends" you roll with. Get AIDS and die.
2+2 was simply in the right place at the right time, both with their books and their forum.
The forum rocketed to popularity when rec.gambling.poker became inundated with spam, and when people were generally moving away from newsgroups and onto message boards. At the time, there was little competition, so 2+2 forums were really the only place to go in order to have poker discussion, aside from the dying RGP.
The books also filled a need at the time. In the mid-late '90s, there just weren't many poker strategy books out there, and most of the existing ones were either outdated or poorly written. Again, they faced little competition, and they got a huge added boost from the poker boom in 2003.
The funny thing is that Mason Malmuth has crowned himself king of the poker world, and actually tries to use his forum as a tool to control others. A good example of this was his banning of Gary Wise for allowing me to participate in the ESPN Poker Think Tank. There are countless instances of Mason trying to control others and seeing himself as some sort of leader that people must obey.
Posted by: ThreeUp3Down Dec 1 2008, 02:15 AM
LOL @ all the people commending Druff on his interview. It is bad for the game because it reinforces misperceptions & paranoia the general public have. Druff's comment at the end was obviously factual but shouldn't have been said. Hell if you asked me to write a line I wanted to get a poker player to say to damage the industry that would be it. Druff came out & said he wasn't lead but even if he was he should have been smart enough to never say something like that knowing any follow-up about regulation would be edited to make a more impactful story. That said what's done is done & Druff acknowledges he shit the bed so w/e but saying he did a good job laughable.
Posted by: 187_HoMiCiDe Dec 1 2008, 02:16 AM
So when he was asked if this could happen again should he have taken the fifth or just said that everything was rosy and the problem was solved? If it hurts to tell the truth , then maybe the industry needs a little pain.
the problem is that telling "the truth" can be said about pretty much any industry in the world. if they were doing a story on some other scandal should the person being interviewed say that "this probably still is happening and will happen again"? You know they're going to use the quote, and you know they arent going to give you a chance to elaborate. He should have said that other sites are set up so that there cant be superusers, and that this major cheating is confined just to pokerstars and full tilt with no evidence of anything undetected happening on the other sites.
We know what you meant
pp
Posted by: MiconsGirl Dec 1 2008, 02:16 AM
wow
mason is obviously pissed off that nwp played a major role in espn's banning of david sklansky. hi, david! EVERYONE in poker knows that you've been banned from espn for being a perverted sick fuck. but you already know that right? lmao
Posted by: TeamRazor Dec 1 2008, 02:18 AM
mason is obviously pissed off that nwp played a major role in espn's banning of david sklansky. hi, david! EVERYONE in poker knows that you've been banned from espn for being a perverted sick fuck. but you already know that right? lmao
Shut it down you fucking whore.
Posted by: MiconsGirl Dec 1 2008, 02:21 AM
mason is obviously pissed off that nwp played a major role in espn's banning of david sklansky. hi, david! EVERYONE in poker knows that you've been banned from espn for being a perverted sick fuck. but you already know that right? lmao
Shut it down you fucking whore.
call me a whore or whatever you want, big boy. it makes me happy that espn has a ban on david sklansky. he is the lowest of the low and in poker that's fucking hilarious
Posted by: repoman Dec 1 2008, 03:30 AM
bzzzzzzzzzt. fail. The general public doesn't really give two shits about online poker. Thus, they have no perceptions or misperceptions, and they certainly aren't "paranoid" about online poker. They think online gambling is probably bad overall, but again, its not on their care-about list in life. I can tell who spends way too much time playing online poker and not having a real life just by reading all these threads.
The only thought I had at the end of the segment was: wow, that will probably be the lowest rated 60 mins segment of the year... nobody cares about a relatively small cheating scandal in a very small community. (When your govt is doing <1 trillion bailouts, $20M scam is pocket change).
Posted by: Azzclown Dec 1 2008, 03:38 AM
bzzzzzzzzzt. fail. The general public doesn't really give two shits about online poker. Thus, they have no perceptions or misperceptions, and they certainly aren't "paranoid" about online poker. They think online gambling is probably bad overall, but again, its not on their care-about list in life. I can tell who spends way too much time playing online poker and not having a real life just by reading all these threads.
The only thought I had at the end of the segment was: wow, that will probably be the lowest rated 60 mins segment of the year... nobody cares about a relatively small cheating scandal in a very small community. (When your govt is doing <1 trillion bailouts, $20M scam is pocket change).
STFU Shortround.
Posted by: ThreeUp3Down Dec 1 2008, 04:23 AM
Curious how what I do for a living qualifies me for not having a real life. The general public doesn't really care about online poker but the perception that's it's shady and everyone can see your whole cards and the donk depositing 50 bucks a week is going to get cheated out of his money hurts the image of the game and therefore less people play.
Eat a dick.
Posted by: 4Dragons Dec 1 2008, 04:45 AM
mason is obviously pissed off that nwp played a major role in espn's banning of david sklansky. hi, david! EVERYONE in poker knows that you've been banned from espn for being a perverted sick fuck. but you already know that right? lmao
Shut it down you fucking whore.
call me a whore or whatever you want, big boy. it makes me happy that espn has a ban on david sklansky. he is the lowest of the low and in poker that's fucking hilarious
It is quite money.
oh.
Posted by: soccertease Dec 1 2008, 05:03 AM
Eat a dick.
But they made it clear this was in high stakes games. I don't think donks depositing $50 are worried that superusers are playing in their .05/.10 game.
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 07:06 AM
Funny how blinded some people on 2+2 are.
I can understand the argument that certain people preferred that I didn't mention the possibility that other sites could be cheating, as it could scare donks away from depositing. That logic makes sense.
However, I have seen a number of 2+2 posts calling me a "tard" for holding that opinion, and saying that my opinion is "ridiculous":
How is the above speculation that of a "tard"?
Fortunately, among the assholes who cannot see anything beyond their own greed, there are a few astute guys who see the bigger picture:
2+2 has been blinded by what they feel are the "facts." What people should take from this interview is that when you criminalize something that has high demand, you simply force it into an unregulated black market. If people are too dumb to realize this, no amount of propaganda is going to help them.
Keep in mind I don't know this "kyleb", so he has no other reason to be defending me.
Too bad far more people there are like allurit and not enough are like kyleb.
And I'd like to know how everyone there is so sure that there's no additional cheating going on. What would those same people have said about AP/UB in July, 2007?
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 07:11 AM
Another good post from a guy named Watchmaker:
I thought the story was fine, I thought DanDruff came off fine and I really think that his comment about how other sites could possibly have similar things going on isn't exactly "out of line".
Remember that prior to AP/UB, the mere mention of dishonesty going on in the world of online poker met with howls of derision and extreme scorn... As the UB/AP investigation was in its embryonic stages, there were STILL people who furiously denied and cried "ZOMG CONSPIRACY THEORY UR SUCH A TOOL!!! U JUST SUCK AT POKER"
What we have here- with people freaking out over his casually mentioning that cheating going on elsewhere may not be totally out of the realm of possibility- is the same phenomenon.
Sometimes I forget that about 3/4 of the population is totally naive and clueless about human nature; as such, they aren't able to 'connect the dots' as far as the likelihood that dishonesty might be occurring in an unregulated, totally web based market that flutters around billions of dollars like they're nothing more than imaginary bits of data...
Suddenly, because it's poker, they believe that the controlling parties are made up of white knights and benevolent spirits, because, ya know... Poker is so well known for attracting people of the highest degree of honesty and personal integrity, I guess.
This visceral denial that dishonesty MAY be occuring in the realm of online poker is cognitive dissonance at it's ugliest.
And in other news, someone on 2+2 is reporting that AP and UB's IP addresses are now banned in Kentucky. Not sure if that's true. I can't wait for people to start blaming me if it is.
Posted by: JimmyG_415 Dec 1 2008, 07:11 AM
I agree.
I don't think anything was said that is that bad (2+2 people have it in for druff, I noticed he was mentioned many times in the Tiffany Michelle thread.).
This segment won't have any affect on anything.
60 minute demographics and the potential donk demographics are not in the same ballpark, so I wouldn't worry about that either.
Posted by: threebet Dec 1 2008, 07:49 AM
bzzzzzzzzzt. fail. The general public doesn't really give two shits about online poker. Thus, they have no perceptions or misperceptions, and they certainly aren't "paranoid" about online poker. They think online gambling is probably bad overall, but again, its not on their care-about list in life. I can tell who spends way too much time playing online poker and not having a real life just by reading all these threads.
The only thought I had at the end of the segment was: wow, that will probably be the lowest rated 60 mins segment of the year... nobody cares about a relatively small cheating scandal in a very small community. (When your govt is doing <1 trillion bailouts, $20M scam is pocket change).
We get it, you lost your life savings playing online and now your lashing out because of it. So transparent. Every post you make is negative about online poker. You just sound like a bitter, scourned old man. Shut it down.
Also, I'm not sure who you talk to, but everyone I know has an opinion one way or another on online poker. Most have misconceptions about it. Just because you and your one buddy don't care about it, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.
It was probably one of the more interesting segments on 60 minutes this year. Would you rather see more stories like them following around Michael Phelps with a camera for a week?
Again, when you say people that spend too much time playing poker have no life, it just makes you sound so bitter. Sorry you couldn't hack it in the world of online poker, better luck next time.
Posted by: Shooz Dec 1 2008, 08:35 AM
The only damaging things are that there was cheating in the first place and therefore a need for this programme and the fact that the programme repeatedly said ''online poker is illegal'' without discerning the act of actually playing it isn't illegal. I suspect the nerd herd will get far more problems from family and peers suddenly thinking they are a criminal than any loss of earnings through Druff stating the obvious.
Posted by: Micons Shitstain Dec 1 2008, 09:42 AM
Druff 100% correct. Sites need to provide proof of fairplay. Malmoose should hang himself. Sklansky should be jailed for legal pedophilia involving a retard.
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 1 2008, 10:02 AM
STFU
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 1 2008, 10:02 AM
bzzzzzzzzzt. fail. The general public doesn't really give two shits about online poker. Thus, they have no perceptions or misperceptions, and they certainly aren't "paranoid" about online poker. They think online gambling is probably bad overall, but again, its not on their care-about list in life. I can tell who spends way too much time playing online poker and not having a real life just by reading all these threads.
The only thought I had at the end of the segment was: wow, that will probably be the lowest rated 60 mins segment of the year... nobody cares about a relatively small cheating scandal in a very small community. (When your govt is doing <1 trillion bailouts, $20M scam is pocket change).
We get it, you lost your life savings playing online and now your lashing out because of it. So transparent. Every post you make is negative about online poker. You just sound like a bitter, scourned old man. Shut it down.
Also, I'm not sure who you talk to, but everyone I know has an opinion one way or another on online poker. Most have misconceptions about it. Just because you and your one buddy don't care about it, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.
It was probably one of the more interesting segments on 60 minutes this year. Would you rather see more stories like them following around Michael Phelps with a camera for a week?
Again, when you say people that spend too much time playing poker have no life, it just makes you sound so bitter. Sorry you couldn't hack it in the world of online poker, better luck next time.
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 1 2008, 10:03 AM
Oddly enough, I missed out on most of the Greycat/Supercard/etc. games due to sheer coincidences of timing (basically I'd be out or sleeping when he'd show up)...
Nobody has to admit to a superuser. Nobody has to admit that cheating went down.
Let's face it, guys. While it would be wonderful for Absolute to fully own up to everything that has been found here, it would be suicide for the company. AP has their own future to think about.
Posted by: 4Dragons Dec 1 2008, 10:08 AM
For anyone who wants a good burnable copy:
*********LINK*********
http://www.thepokerbay.org/details.php?id=2734
Posted by: Micons Shitstain Dec 1 2008, 10:08 AM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
Posted by: 4Dragons Dec 1 2008, 10:11 AM
Posted by: twoplustwo Dec 1 2008, 10:15 AM
I'm positive a large percentage of the general public hear the word "online" associated with pretty much anything and their initial reaction is that they are going to get conned/have their identity stolen and so on.
The article won't dissuade people to start playing who weren't before in the same fashion that people currently playing will give it up as a result.
Posted by: GAMBLE-BOT Dec 1 2008, 10:22 AM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
does anyone else want to ban this guy?
Posted by: Micons Shitstain Dec 1 2008, 10:38 AM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
does anyone else want to ban this guy?
Shut up ban happy nigger, they are even starting threads about your power trips, go suck a dick.
Posted by: GAMBLE-BOT Dec 1 2008, 10:40 AM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
does anyone else want to ban this guy?
Shut up ban happy nigger, they are even starting threads about your power trips, go suck a dick.
LOL at "they". Also you aren't helping "their" case. Abuse of power is bad. So is abuse of stupidity. Havent even polled you up yet but I promise you have a better shot at a vote then you would if a mod was going to decide on their own.
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 1 2008, 10:43 AM
God that pic cracks me up lol
so cruel yet such raw comedy
Posted by: Micons Shitstain Dec 1 2008, 10:44 AM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
does anyone else want to ban this guy?
Shut up ban happy nigger, they are even starting threads about your power trips, go suck a dick.
LOL at "they". Also you aren't helping "their" case. Abuse of power is bad. So is abuse of stupidity. Havent even polled you up yet but I promise you have a better shot at a vote then you would if a mod was going to decide on their own.
listen niggher, sorry your woman wont bob on your pole, dont take it out on the fine citizens of an uncensored poker community.
Posted by: 408mike Dec 1 2008, 11:14 AM
I watched the segment last night. Thought Druff represented well, came off sounding fairly intelligent and articulate. The angle of the story as a whole seemed to be that online poker is crazy shady and untrustworthy etc etc. It was also very rushed IMO, there were a lot of things left out. I doubt many people outside of the poker community would have found the show informative and certainly would not sway them from playing if they are not already doing so. All in all I would honestly say it was pointless.
Posted by: Mary_Hinge Dec 1 2008, 12:20 PM
That "apology" is pretty pathetic but the whole situation is pretty meh. Personally, I believe no body saw your word vomit there because most of the mccain/palin voters that play poker and watch 60 minutes turned the story off when they started talking about Indians and realized it wasnt an Ocean's 11 type heist.
Anyway, all I want to know is what was the question that led up to that response that aired? You at least owe us players that still consider the game an honest living that much.
plz go back to sucking off other nerds at 2+2 where they censor good poker info because it might hurt book sales.
you are likely a miserable person in real life that pays for sex
It was a pretty legitimate question if you even read Dan's apology, you illiterate moron. He even admitted it wasnt put in the best of terms, despite not being taken out of context. Jesus fuck, you are dumb.
Go back to your 2+2 cumfest dickbag
Posted by: 4Dragons Dec 1 2008, 12:41 PM
STFU
No, YOU STFU you homeless carlot living failure mound of flesh.
Posted by: Mary_Hinge Dec 1 2008, 12:41 PM
Oh, and check out this guy's Myspace that he posted on the 60 minutes forum about the show....LOLZ
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=6480734
:sweetblog and :tightlife
Online poker is really ripping his ass.No wonder he's pissed :
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=6480734&blogID=291840378
Posted by: micon Dec 1 2008, 01:02 PM
1) Fuck Mason Malmuth right in his stupid Nazi ass
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
Posted by: s-inator Dec 1 2008, 01:07 PM
see below
Posted by: ShizzMoney Dec 1 2008, 01:12 PM
1) After seeing the server room with the wires everywhere at the Indian Gaming Commission ("We are NOT Canadian!"), I feel real secure about the data in that place.
2) My god, Russ Hamilton is a fat fuck.
3) Druff had the anger face going on there. He was good on the show, and along with the Austrailian guy and McLovin they really gave the viewers a good view of exactly what happened in a story more people should know about.
Posted by: :o Dec 1 2008, 01:13 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
Posted by: uʍop ǝpısdn Dec 1 2008, 01:13 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
micon you really should stay out of these things, you seem unable to put any sort of rational thought into a post.
Also people are grossly overestimating the effect this will have on online poker.
Posted by: thesidedish Dec 1 2008, 01:21 PM
I can understand the argument that certain people preferred that I didn't mention the possibility that other sites could be cheating, as it could scare donks away from depositing. That logic makes sense.
However, I have seen a number of 2+2 posts calling me a "tard" for holding that opinion, and saying that my opinion is "ridiculous":
How is the above speculation that of a "tard"?
Fortunately, among the assholes who cannot see anything beyond their own greed, there are a few astute guys who see the bigger picture:
2+2 has been blinded by what they feel are the "facts." What people should take from this interview is that when you criminalize something that has high demand, you simply force it into an unregulated black market. If people are too dumb to realize this, no amount of propaganda is going to help them.
Keep in mind I don't know this "kyleb", so he has no other reason to be defending me.
Too bad far more people there are like allurit and not enough are like kyleb.
And I'd like to know how everyone there is so sure that there's no additional cheating going on. What would those same people have said about AP/UB in July, 2007?
Action Jackson FTL
Posted by: TeamRazor Dec 1 2008, 01:24 PM
You are using the term "us" very loosely. They only rolled people with real money accounts.
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 1 2008, 01:32 PM
Posted by: micon Dec 1 2008, 01:39 PM
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet....
but how funny is the usually unbiased 60 minutes announcer when he said
"from the WSOP Main event win... he also won his *considerable* weight in silver"
lol considerable weight.
fatty cheater. Like TeamRazor
Posted by: cmoney Dec 1 2008, 01:43 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
WELL PUT. MASON'S COMMENT ABOUT DRUFF ACTUALLY PUT ME ON TILT FOR SOME REASON. I GUESS IT IS BECAUSE DRUFF IS HONEST AND HAS INTEGRITY AND MASON AND HIS PERVERT SIDE KICK THINK THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO CHALLENGE THAT.
I HOPE HIM AND HIS PERVERT FUCK BUDDY GET WHAT IS COMING TO THEM
Posted by: elocutionist Dec 1 2008, 01:50 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
WELL PUT. MASON'S COMMENT ABOUT DRUFF ACTUALLY PUT ME ON TILT FOR SOME REASON. I GUESS IT IS BECAUSE DRUFF IS HONEST AND HAS INTEGRITY AND MASON AND HIS PERVERT SIDE KICK THINK THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO CHALLENGE THAT.
I HOPE HIM AND HIS PERVERT FUCK BUDDY GET WHAT IS COMING TO THEM
Got no idea who any of theses guys is, but in the spirit of piling on let me just say,
Fuck you mason, you fat scumtoothed kike motherfucker,
And take that pollack jew sklansky with yiou to hell and burn asshat.
Ps if you havent seen australia yet, dont bother.
Posted by: Shooz Dec 1 2008, 03:59 PM
but how funny is the usually unbiased 60 minutes announcer when he said
"from the WSOP Main event win... he also won his *considerable* weight in silver"
lol considerable weight.
fatty cheater. Like TeamRazor
I mentioned it sir, and the fact that indeed chief was a disgusting fat fuck too.
Posted by: cmoney Dec 1 2008, 04:08 PM
but how funny is the usually unbiased 60 minutes announcer when he said
"from the WSOP Main event win... he also won his *considerable* weight in silver"
lol considerable weight.
fatty cheater. Like TeamRazor
I mentioned it sir, and the fact that indeed chief was a disgusting fat fuck too.
WHAT A SHADDY FUCK HE WAS. HE WAS LIKE 0.5% INDIAN TOO - LOOKED LIKE A FAT WHITE GUY
Posted by: Shooz Dec 1 2008, 04:11 PM
but how funny is the usually unbiased 60 minutes announcer when he said
"from the WSOP Main event win... he also won his *considerable* weight in silver"
lol considerable weight.
fatty cheater. Like TeamRazor
I mentioned it sir, and the fact that indeed chief was a disgusting fat fuck too.
WHAT A SHADDY FUCK HE WAS. HE WAS LIKE 0.5% INDIAN TOO - LOOKED LIKE A FAT WHITE GUY
pretty SHADY too
no doubt he had his chubby fingers in the till too....
Posted by: AmenToTheFools Dec 1 2008, 04:22 PM
but how funny is the usually unbiased 60 minutes announcer when he said
"from the WSOP Main event win... he also won his *considerable* weight in silver"
lol considerable weight.
fatty cheater. Like TeamRazor
I mentioned it sir, and the fact that indeed chief was a disgusting fat fuck too.
WHAT A SHADDY FUCK HE WAS. HE WAS LIKE 0.5% INDIAN TOO - LOOKED LIKE A FAT WHITE GUY
pretty SHADY too
no doubt he had his chubby fingers in the till too....fatty
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 04:56 PM
I like how certain assholes on 2+2 insist upon continuing to insult me over there, even though I am banned and can't respond.
Normally this would not bother me, as I really don't care if certain people there say I'm a "douche", "asshole", or whatever. However, some of the recent rhetoric (mostly by that guy "Admo") has been accusing me of a lot of things that simply are not true.
On October 17th, 2007, I made a post on 2+2 departing from my previous anti-AP rhetoric, calling for everyone to forgive AP if they are willing to refund everyone's money. This was actually an attempt at a level on AP. At the time, it was incredibly frustrating, as AP was admitting to nothing (even with the POTRIPPER stuff out there), and was showing no signs of being willing to own up to the scandal or refund any money. It looked like they were just going to stonewall and deny forever. I took the initiative to speak to one of the mangers and suggest a "compromise", where they find some flimsy reason to refund people's money without admitting there were superusers. My plan was that, once everyone got their money, we would go back on this "compromise" and again demand them to tell the truth. Basically, they had us by the balls as far as our money was concerned, so I wanted us to give them some incentive to refund it (thinking it will buy them forgiveness) and then after we have it, let our true feelings about the matter show.
In order to plant the seeds for this, I made this post on 2+2:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=644173&postcount=245
Unfortunately, my plan wasn't going to work, because everyone responded to me with such outrage that I was suggesting forgiveness (not realizing I was trying to level AP) that those reading it from AP would never get the impression that they'd be forgiven if they just refunded the money. Seeing that this effort was futile, I retracted what I said without explaining what I was actually trying to do, because I still wanted AP to talk to me.
There's also a portion in that post where I apologized to Russ Hamilton. This was because I was given inside information from a former AP employee about Russ' secret role with AP/UB, and how he had a lot more ownership in the company than he made it appear. I posted this both on 2+2 and NWP. Russ saw it and went into a panic, leaving a tilt voicemail to Dustin, demanding we call him. I called Russ and he threatened to sue me. Knowing that I was just posting a rumor and had not verified it yet, I decided it wasn't wise to post such a thing until I was 100% sure that the info was good. I offered to Russ to post a retraction and claim it was "bad info", and he accepted and said we were all good. Keep in mind that, while I knew Russ had something shady going on, I had no idea (nor did anyone else) that he was involved in the superusing.
Anyway, there's what happened, if anyone's wondering.
Amazing that a lot of people over there are so angry at me and not directing any of their hatred toward those who cheated them and lied about it for so long.
Posted by: PeanutButterFAIL Dec 1 2008, 05:06 PM
Druff seemed knowledgeable and competent. I don't see what the big hubbub is. I think they should go after those cheaters and identify/prosecute them somehow. And who cares about those 2 + 2 nits anyways?
Druff, did you get any copies of the Washington Post with your face on the cover? That was pretty impressive.
Posted by: ship Dec 1 2008, 06:00 PM
any of those 2+2 faggots are free to make an account and slam druff here.
too bad they are fucking pussy bitches.
Posted by: ship Dec 1 2008, 06:01 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
Posted by: Tapper Dec 1 2008, 07:08 PM
Druff came off fine in the interview and answered honestly even if he did come off a bit frustrated and disgruntled which is how victims usually do come across about their experiences.
obviously it would have been much better if they interviewed public relations employees of tilt or stars to put a positve spin on the situation, probably mike sexton had this type of role but 60 minutes chose to go with this more sensationalist angle to play up the cheating threat and legality issues,
last quote completely true but kinda sucked with the context of a final comment regarding the whole online poker industry.
Posted by: Long Legged Mack Dec 1 2008, 07:25 PM
I think the fact of the matter is simple, the USA Government has already placed so called restrictions on internet poker, so Druff's comments can't make things worse from that perspective. The typical 60 minutes audience is not who the online poker companies are marketing to join, so if his comments scared them off, no big deal from that perspective either.
What he said is true. Any company could be pulling a similar scam but way smarter. It amazes me how stupid these super users were. Why be so greedy? If anything maybe this UB/AP scandel breaking not only showed that it could be done, but also showed how not do it. These guys were idiots. Win less money, give up more pots, and you won't get caught.
I hope Stars, FTP aren't doing this nor do I suspect it, but that really doesn't mean anything. There really isn't any aspect of our lives that is exempt from the possibility of being cheated. Druff's comments don't change that. The same could be said of sports, government, and really any industry/business.
I really would like to know though why Raymer was cut out.
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 07:29 PM
For whatever reason, they seemed to want to cut out any discussion of legalization/regulation. That disappointed me big time, especially because the producer promised me that they'd primarily focus on that being the moral of the story.
Had I known that would have been omitted, I wouldn't have gone on.
Posted by: riskaverse Dec 1 2008, 07:29 PM
While I normally find it hilarious when Druff goes on tilt after getting bashed on the internet, not so much this time.
I play for a living and I don't see anything wrong with Druff's interview.
Haven't read the thread at 2+2 but I'm guessing it's just a 'mob mentality' piling on an easy target.
Instead of writing a rambling apology letter, you should've just said the following:
They answered a question. I answered it honestly. Get fucked.
Posted by: Shooz Dec 1 2008, 07:31 PM
they already filled their morbidly obese quota for the segment
Posted by: repoman Dec 1 2008, 07:44 PM
You did not see the machine room hosting online poker in this 60 minutes piece. They used stock footage of a datacenter cut in to imply those were the hosting servers... I love the first cut, showing a Sun Ultra60 laying on its side (this is a single socket workstation that by today's standards is pretty damn slow).
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 1 2008, 07:57 PM
Overnight ratings are in.
13.1% of households with TV had the 60 Minutes program on, translating (I think) to about 14.4 million televisions tuned in. Wow.
A pro-internet-gambling lobbying organization is already using the 60 Minutes program to push for online poker's legalization and regulation in the U.S.
http://pokerati.com/2008/12/01/ssigi-hopes-internet-gaming-publicity-leads-to-sensible-regulation/
This is a good thing. If this gets everyone's attention how shady all of these sites are -- and how little regulation there currently is -- then maybe the government will be woken up into doing something positive about it, rather than continuing to push for unrealistic and damaging bans.
If this piece gets such serious discussion going on in Washington, I will consider the 60 Minutes piece to be a great success.
Posted by: s-inator Dec 1 2008, 07:59 PM
Druff, you did fine. 60 Minutes was going to cover this story and present their angle no matter what was said. They could have gone to every person in the online poker world and, interviewed them. Even if no one said anything harmful, they would have found a way to present their angle. Druff was just someone who said the things they wanted to hear/include. The show does not give a fuck about the health of online poker and would never want to provide a balanced and complete side of the story.
Posted by: repoman Dec 1 2008, 08:00 PM
Also, I'm not sure who you talk to, but everyone I know has an opinion one way or another on online poker. Most have misconceptions about it. Just because you and your one buddy don't care about it, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.
3bet, I think you misunderstand my main point. I should have explained it better. I believe that people who are immersed in the poker world either because they play for a living, or are just obsessed with the online action, don't have the appropriate perspective to put online poker into its proper context w.r.t. societal issues overall. Online poker isn't even a blip on the radar of society. So, my comment about rabid posters on this topic gives me a cue that they are probably myopic and are over-reacting to a non event (that event being Druff's comment at the end of the segment). Acting like Druff's comment is the end to online poker just gives me lolz, that's all. I'm not hating on anyone.
I gotta give you this one, the Michael Phelps segment was the worst, ever. [but is also the reason the ratings were decent]
Posted by: bitchezbcrazyjuno Dec 1 2008, 08:05 PM
The best part about all this is the increased traffic generated by these fags from 4.
Posted by: 4Dragons Dec 1 2008, 08:52 PM
2) Do you hear me Mason? I said go fuck yourself you miserable fuck. The poker world will shun you. It will take time but it is already happening. Your pedo-partner is already BANNED FROM ESPN BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK UNDERAGED MENTALLY CHALLENGED GIRLS. Keep defending him
3) Good Eats actually had a post I liked. Druff (nor the Chinamen) is not the issue here - It's Russ Hamilton, AP, & UB - these are the people / businesses that fucked us out of $20M. One statement by Druff on 60 minutes is not enough to crush online poker - lets focus on the cheaters... and it seems 2+2 would obv. rather kill the messenger
WELL PUT. MASON'S COMMENT ABOUT DRUFF ACTUALLY PUT ME ON TILT FOR SOME REASON. I GUESS IT IS BECAUSE DRUFF IS HONEST AND HAS INTEGRITY AND MASON AND HIS PERVERT SIDE KICK THINK THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO CHALLENGE THAT.
I HOPE HIM AND HIS PERVERT FUCK BUDDY GET WHAT IS COMING TO THEM
Got no idea who any of theses guys is, but in the spirit of piling on let me just say,
Fuck you mason, you fat scumtoothed kike motherfucker,
And take that pollack jew sklansky with yiou to hell and burn asshat.
Ps if you havent seen australia yet, dont bother.
Posted by: Tapper Dec 1 2008, 10:00 PM
13.1% of households with TV had the 60 Minutes program on, translating (I think) to about 14.4 million televisions tuned in. Wow.
A pro-internet-gambling lobbying organization is already using the 60 Minutes program to push for online poker's legalization and regulation in the U.S.
http://pokerati.com/2008/12/01/ssigi-hopes-internet-gaming-publicity-leads-to-sensible-regulation/
This is a good thing. If this gets everyone's attention how shady all of these sites are -- and how little regulation there currently is -- then maybe the government will be woken up into doing something positive about it, rather than continuing to push for unrealistic and damaging bans.
If this piece gets such serious discussion going on in Washington, I will consider the 60 Minutes piece to be a great success.
i would love obama to see this industry as a way to create the 2.5million jobs he is promising and as a source of increased tax revenue.
then hopefully the president elect niggat can ice-out his charms...
Posted by: GrenadaRoger Dec 2 2008, 01:08 AM
Normally this would not bother me, as I really don't care if certain people there say I'm a "douche", "asshole", or whatever. However, some of the recent rhetoric (mostly by that guy "Admo") has been accusing me of a lot of things that simply are not true.
On October 17th, 2007, I made a post on 2+2 departing from my previous anti-AP rhetoric, calling for everyone to forgive AP if they are willing to refund everyone's money. This was actually an attempt at a level on AP. At the time, it was incredibly frustrating, as AP was admitting to nothing (even with the POTRIPPER stuff out there), and was showing no signs of being willing to own up to the scandal or refund any money. It looked like they were just going to stonewall and deny forever. I took the initiative to speak to one of the mangers and suggest a "compromise", where they find some flimsy reason to refund people's money without admitting there were superusers. My plan was that, once everyone got their money, we would go back on this "compromise" and again demand them to tell the truth. Basically, they had us by the balls as far as our money was concerned, so I wanted us to give them some incentive to refund it (thinking it will buy them forgiveness) and then after we have it, let our true feelings about the matter show.
In order to plant the seeds for this, I made this post on 2+2:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=644173&postcount=245
Unfortunately, my plan wasn't going to work, because everyone responded to me with such outrage that I was suggesting forgiveness (not realizing I was trying to level AP) that those reading it from AP would never get the impression that they'd be forgiven if they just refunded the money. Seeing that this effort was futile, I retracted what I said without explaining what I was actually trying to do, because I still wanted AP to talk to me.
There's also a portion in that post where I apologized to Russ Hamilton. This was because I was given inside information from a former AP employee about Russ' secret role with AP/UB, and how he had a lot more ownership in the company than he made it appear. I posted this both on 2+2 and NWP. Russ saw it and went into a panic, leaving a tilt voicemail to Dustin, demanding we call him. I called Russ and he threatened to sue me. Knowing that I was just posting a rumor and had not verified it yet, I decided it wasn't wise to post such a thing until I was 100% sure that the info was good. I offered to Russ to post a retraction and claim it was "bad info", and he accepted and said we were all good. Keep in mind that, while I knew Russ had something shady going on, I had no idea (nor did anyone else) that he was involved in the superusing.
Anyway, there's what happened, if anyone's wondering.
Amazing that a lot of people over there are so angry at me and not directing any of their hatred toward those who cheated them and lied about it for so long.
Mr W, if what you are saying is true rather than being a face-saving made up story, then you should work for the CIA or something like that---places where ethics and trustworthiness finish 2nd everytime to acheiving goals.
Because what i take away from your explanation is that you are capable of making agreements/commitments that you intend to break later on...and certainly it gives some vindication to AP/UB decision to not respond to the ideas you were putting forward in your posts as you were insincere
Posted by: riskaverse Dec 2 2008, 10:05 AM
Holy shit.
Listening to the newest 2+2 pokercast thinking it would be a collection of Stu Unger stories.
Instead Mason Malmuth is on shitting all over Druff.
:ether
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 2 2008, 10:11 AM
Listening to the newest 2+2 pokercast thinking it would be a collection of Stu Unger stories.
Instead Mason Malmuth is on shitting all over Druff.
:ether
link plz
Posted by: riskaverse Dec 2 2008, 10:13 AM
Listening to the newest 2+2 pokercast thinking it would be a collection of Stu Unger stories.
Instead Mason Malmuth is on shitting all over Druff.
:ether
link plz
http://pokercast.twoplustwo.com/listen_and_browse.php
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 2 2008, 10:17 AM
MOLE46 (10:19:08 AM): DRUFF DESERVES SHIT FOR BEING ASSOCIATED WITH NWP
MOLE46 (10:19:31 AM): WHEN HE TRIES TO COME OFF AS SOMEONE WITH SUCH HIGH MORALS
MOLE46 (10:20:22 AM): INSTEAD HE IS ARGUING WITH CLOWNS ON A BLACK COCK HATE SITE
Posted by: Chinamaniac Dec 2 2008, 10:30 AM
AN unimportant individual who got his 15 mins of fame
Posted by: DanDruff Dec 2 2008, 11:56 AM
Normally this would not bother me, as I really don't care if certain people there say I'm a "douche", "asshole", or whatever. However, some of the recent rhetoric (mostly by that guy "Admo") has been accusing me of a lot of things that simply are not true.
On October 17th, 2007, I made a post on 2+2 departing from my previous anti-AP rhetoric, calling for everyone to forgive AP if they are willing to refund everyone's money. This was actually an attempt at a level on AP. At the time, it was incredibly frustrating, as AP was admitting to nothing (even with the POTRIPPER stuff out there), and was showing no signs of being willing to own up to the scandal or refund any money. It looked like they were just going to stonewall and deny forever. I took the initiative to speak to one of the mangers and suggest a "compromise", where they find some flimsy reason to refund people's money without admitting there were superusers. My plan was that, once everyone got their money, we would go back on this "compromise" and again demand them to tell the truth. Basically, they had us by the balls as far as our money was concerned, so I wanted us to give them some incentive to refund it (thinking it will buy them forgiveness) and then after we have it, let our true feelings about the matter show.
In order to plant the seeds for this, I made this post on 2+2:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=644173&postcount=245
Unfortunately, my plan wasn't going to work, because everyone responded to me with such outrage that I was suggesting forgiveness (not realizing I was trying to level AP) that those reading it from AP would never get the impression that they'd be forgiven if they just refunded the money. Seeing that this effort was futile, I retracted what I said without explaining what I was actually trying to do, because I still wanted AP to talk to me.
There's also a portion in that post where I apologized to Russ Hamilton. This was because I was given inside information from a former AP employee about Russ' secret role with AP/UB, and how he had a lot more ownership in the company than he made it appear. I posted this both on 2+2 and NWP. Russ saw it and went into a panic, leaving a tilt voicemail to Dustin, demanding we call him. I called Russ and he threatened to sue me. Knowing that I was just posting a rumor and had not verified it yet, I decided it wasn't wise to post such a thing until I was 100% sure that the info was good. I offered to Russ to post a retraction and claim it was "bad info", and he accepted and said we were all good. Keep in mind that, while I knew Russ had something shady going on, I had no idea (nor did anyone else) that he was involved in the superusing.
Anyway, there's what happened, if anyone's wondering.
Amazing that a lot of people over there are so angry at me and not directing any of their hatred toward those who cheated them and lied about it for so long.
Mr W, if what you are saying is true rather than being a face-saving made up story, then you should work for the CIA or something like that---places where ethics and trustworthiness finish 2nd everytime to acheiving goals.
Because what i take away from your explanation is that you are capable of making agreements/commitments that you intend to break later on...and certainly it gives some vindication to AP/UB decision to not respond to the ideas you were putting forward in your posts as you were insincere
Normally I would agree with this. Ask anyone who knows me, whether well or casually, and you will hear that I am trustworthy and never make deals that I'm going to break.
This was an exception. AP stole everyone's money, it was 100% obvious, and they were refusing to either admit to it or refund what they stole. There was nothing we could do to them from a legal standpoint, either. Desperate times called for desperate measures, and if I had to lie to AP in order to get everyone their stolen money back, then so be it. They were not dealing with us honestly (at any stage), so I had to resort to not dealing with them honestly.
Oh, and Mason Malmuth is such a douchebag. The guy is not only controlling, but has no integrity, and will do whatever he can to further his business interests. His ultra-biased and highly inaccurate Pokerstars VIP "analysis" is a prime example of this, and he got ripped a new one on his own site about it.
Posted by: TheXFactor Dec 2 2008, 12:37 PM
"I'm sure it would be going on," Witteles says. "The people who did this were very greedy and very blatant. But the scary thing is there may be other accounts out there like this, maybe even on other sites that are not being done with the same sort of recklessness. And maybe this has been going on, on more than just Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet. Maybe it's going on in several other places. And maybe it's even still going on in these sites."
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Ratings for 11/30/2008...60 Minutes (CBS) 18.8 million viewers
Mason Malmouth and 2 + 2 users are fucking idiots if they believed that 60 minutes would put some sort of positive spin on internet poker.
Of course there is still plenty of cheating going on other poker sites.
PokerStars has had alot of multi-accounting issues, remember THE VOID who won last years WCOOP.
Full Tilt Poker has had alot of player collusion, ask Boosted J about the $100K he got cheating out of.
There just have been no new reports of players being cheated on other sites by players who have access to real time hole-card records.
But it happened before...It will happen again!
Posted by: FuckTheNiggerFaggotKikeBitchChin Dec 2 2008, 01:08 PM
What a bunch of fuckign morons,
Druff's comments were the truth. People just don;t want to admit how fucked up online poker is but cause in a sesne they would be admitting that they were idiots as well. The major sites need some sort of accountability and regulation over these poker sites. Assuming pokerstars and ftp are safe just because they are big is beyond moronic. These sites are doing nothing to ensure these problems don;t occur there.
Posted by: FuckTheNiggerFaggotKikeBitchChin Dec 2 2008, 01:11 PM
also lol at mason thinking players policing the game is enough of a deterent to stop cheating.
Posted by: ungowa Dec 2 2008, 01:32 PM
I thought Dan Druff did just fine, nothing wrong with telling the truth!!
no one can be sure that there isn't insider cheating going on at all
the sites.
Posted by: Wiganer Dec 2 2008, 02:01 PM
Fucking retards and making threats about throwing acid in girls faces isn't degenerate?
Posted by: soccertease Dec 2 2008, 02:11 PM
13.1% of households with TV had the 60 Minutes program on
A full third of those geezers passed away leaving the TV on obv.
Posted by: ship Dec 2 2008, 02:19 PM
He got it a couple years ago at the wsop limit holdem FT on TV.
Posted by: hutmaster Dec 2 2008, 05:46 PM
From 2+2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/97/two-plus-two-pokercast/masons-hypocrisy-356225/
It would not bother me a whit if I get banned for this post: Mason, you are losing it. I cannot believe that you are this stupid. Banning anybody, including Whittles, from this site for no reason worth discussing makes it clear to all of us that you are both arrogant and paranoid.
You've also recently passed on publishing a new book written by authors you have previously published because one of them has allegedly distributed too much content about poker without charging for it and you think that the content should have been monetized. Hey, publish who you want, we don't care. But, stop being so short-sighted. Make decisions for the right reasons, not because somebody does or says something that you don't like.
Your recent actions indicate a degree of arrogance that you cannot afford to continue. As interest in poker continues to slide in the US, as the US government gains traction in the war against activities that affect on-line play, etc., you need to be a little smarter in handling affairs that quickly become public. Your site is not our only option. Your books are not the only books.
I'll tell you, between Slansky's public self-indictments which have been beyond ludicrous and your most recent stupid decisions and comments, it is clear that the two of you deserve each other. As you will discover, the world does not begin and end with your interests or perspectives.
I feel bad. You have contributed immensely to many things, including the world of poker. But, it is now clear that you need to listen to some intelligent people and stop thinking for yourself. I'd suggest you retain a good PR firm for a start. It worked wonders for George Steinbrenner as he grew older and could not control his mouth.
It's proving to be dangerous for the future of your business as more of us figure out how vindictive you are when things don't go your way. Find a hobby, volunteer, take a vacation, get a life. One way to attract the wrong kind of attention is to set yourself up as judge for the industry. There is no way you can come out ahead in that role.
Posted by: Jewdonk Dec 2 2008, 05:49 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/97/two-plus-two-pokercast/masons-hypocrisy-356225/
It would not bother me a whit if I get banned for this post: Mason, you are losing it. I cannot believe that you are this stupid. Banning anybody, including Whittles, from this site for no reason worth discussing makes it clear to all of us that you are both arrogant and paranoid.
You've also recently passed on publishing a new book written by authors you have previously published because one of them has allegedly distributed too much content about poker without charging for it and you think that the content should have been monetized. Hey, publish who you want, we don't care. But, stop being so short-sighted. Make decisions for the right reasons, not because somebody does or says something that you don't like.
Your recent actions indicate a degree of arrogance that you cannot afford to continue. As interest in poker continues to slide in the US, as the US government gains traction in the war against activities that affect on-line play, etc., you need to be a little smarter in handling affairs that quickly become public. Your site is not our only option. Your books are not the only books.
I'll tell you, between Slansky's public self-indictments which have been beyond ludicrous and your most recent stupid decisions and comments, it is clear that the two of you deserve each other. As you will discover, the world does not begin and end with your interests or perspectives.
I feel bad. You have contributed immensely to many things, including the world of poker. But, it is now clear that you need to listen to some intelligent people and stop thinking for yourself. I'd suggest you retain a good PR firm for a start. It worked wonders for George Steinbrenner as he grew older and could not control his mouth.
It's proving to be dangerous for the future of your business as more of us figure out how vindictive you are when things don't go your way. Find a hobby, volunteer, take a vacation, get a life. One way to attract the wrong kind of attention is to set yourself up as judge for the industry. There is no way you can come out ahead in that role.
Posted by: hutmaster Dec 2 2008, 06:12 PM
Posted by: JimmyG_415 Dec 2 2008, 08:14 PM
LOL at Malmouth, what a clown. He kind of contridicted himself.
yup the end of internet poker is here, on
FTP
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