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 Jan 30 2009, 02:24 AM
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NWP Pirahna
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QUOTE(macon_marc @ Jan 30 2009, 05:20 AM)  lol'd at the swear on your kids life
A little brash imo. Also lol'd at that. Took it a little to far there.
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Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM
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this is a really solid example of how leadership here fails.
if youre going to step up to the plate and claim you have some monster bomb to drop regarding angels integrity, simply put; a real man makes his case and lets the audience judge, or he steps to angel in private and either reaches a mutual conclusion or gives up and blows her out of the water when no mutual conclusion can be reached.
this whole "want to see how far she goes to deny it" thing, thats vanity and a lust for attention and you finally feeling like youre in a situation where youre immune from critique, so youre milking it.
this is not how people act who expect to be taken seriously as adults, and youre asking to be taken seriously.
and the worst part of all this is... no matter how badly vwls rolled someone, you come off worse than her *again* for making this thread.
delete it or make your case, those are the moves that have integrity. everything else is adolescent territorial exhibitionism.
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Jan 30 2009, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM) this is a really solid example of how leadership here fails.
if youre going to step up to the plate and claim you have some monster bomb to drop regarding angels integrity, simply put; a real man makes his case and lets the audience judge, or he steps to angel in private and either reaches a mutual conclusion or gives up and blows her out of the water when no mutual conclusion can be reached.
this whole "want to see how far she goes to deny it" thing, thats vanity and a lust for attention and you finally feeling like youre in a situation where youre immune from critique, so youre milking it.
this is not how people act who expect to be taken seriously as adults, and youre asking to be taken seriously.
and the worst part of all this is... no matter how badly vwls rolled someone, you come off worse than her *again* for making this thread.
delete it or make your case, those are the moves that have integrity. everything else is adolescent territorial exhibitionism. This wouldn't have been done if we weren't accused of being liars and if an apology hadn't been demanded. So instead of dropping this full dramabomb (which, again, would betray someone's trust, as well), I am giving her the chance to either come forward and tell the truth, or to continue on with this charade that she is innocent. There's nothing juvenille about giving someone one more chance to tell the truth.
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Jan 30 2009, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 01:31 AM) Right.
I should just sit silent while being accused of making up false stories about this lovely, honest woman, right?
Look, if this was a matter of "business ethics", I would not be taking this line.
I'm not talking about a business deal gone bad. I'm talking about a straight-up rolling.
Now my own integrity is being called into question, and I'm not going to have it. druff, my personal experience on airing dirty laundry is that if you're going to do it, you need to be prepared to lay it all out on the table, bc if you only give bits and pieces, even if its bc you only want to release "necessary" information, you are going to get shit on.. sometimes defending your integrity just makes you look bad, no matter what... get permission to release the truth in its entirety or drop it. this trial is going to go nowhere and its going to cause you a lot of unwanted grief imo... -C.C.
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Jan 30 2009, 03:10 AM
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also todd, whats your plan here? say she comes here and posts that she swears on her childs life that she doesnt owe anyone more than $100... regardless of whether shes telling the truth or lying, then what??
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Jan 30 2009, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 10:02 PM) QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM) this is a really solid example of how leadership here fails.
if youre going to step up to the plate and claim you have some monster bomb to drop regarding angels integrity, simply put; a real man makes his case and lets the audience judge, or he steps to angel in private and either reaches a mutual conclusion or gives up and blows her out of the water when no mutual conclusion can be reached.
this whole "want to see how far she goes to deny it" thing, thats vanity and a lust for attention and you finally feeling like youre in a situation where youre immune from critique, so youre milking it.
this is not how people act who expect to be taken seriously as adults, and youre asking to be taken seriously.
and the worst part of all this is... no matter how badly vwls rolled someone, you come off worse than her *again* for making this thread.
delete it or make your case, those are the moves that have integrity. everything else is adolescent territorial exhibitionism. This wouldn't have been done if we weren't accused of being liars and if an apology hadn't been demanded. So instead of dropping this full dramabomb (which, again, would betray someone's trust, as well), I am giving her the chance to either come forward and tell the truth, or to continue on with this charade that she is innocent. There's nothing juvenille about giving someone one more chance to tell the truth. i think the move here would have been to contact vwls through back channels (email, phone) and say "look, im hearing this thing, and if its true then you owe me a pretty huge fucking apology". i actually do think you have a case here, i dont think this is smoke with no fire, and ive never believed angel was some perfect buddha of black cock who was somehow immune to corruption, so finding out she rolled someone isnt exactly blowing my mind. again my single complaint is that by not pursuing this in a manner that embraces restraint, diligence, and diplomacy, youre basically making sure that any revelations that come of this thread are tainted by what will be perceived as a vindictive agenda on your part. and lastly, the whole concept of the anonymous third party is very unfortunate; by making this thread you guarantee that sooner or later, that person will almost certainly be known. so really if youre that concerned with their anonymity, thats probably the biggest argument of all for absolutely not posting this thread and handling this entire situation with the utmost discretion. you could have lambasted her after you had the facts and no one could have said dick about it. this... this is all very ill-conceived.
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Jan 30 2009, 03:18 AM
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QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 03:12 AM) QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 10:02 PM) QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM) this is a really solid example of how leadership here fails.
if youre going to step up to the plate and claim you have some monster bomb to drop regarding angels integrity, simply put; a real man makes his case and lets the audience judge, or he steps to angel in private and either reaches a mutual conclusion or gives up and blows her out of the water when no mutual conclusion can be reached.
this whole "want to see how far she goes to deny it" thing, thats vanity and a lust for attention and you finally feeling like youre in a situation where youre immune from critique, so youre milking it.
this is not how people act who expect to be taken seriously as adults, and youre asking to be taken seriously.
and the worst part of all this is... no matter how badly vwls rolled someone, you come off worse than her *again* for making this thread.
delete it or make your case, those are the moves that have integrity. everything else is adolescent territorial exhibitionism. This wouldn't have been done if we weren't accused of being liars and if an apology hadn't been demanded. So instead of dropping this full dramabomb (which, again, would betray someone's trust, as well), I am giving her the chance to either come forward and tell the truth, or to continue on with this charade that she is innocent. There's nothing juvenille about giving someone one more chance to tell the truth. i think the move here would have been to contact vwls through back channels (email, phone) and say "look, im hearing this thing, and if its true then you owe me a pretty huge fucking apology". i actually do think you have a case here, i dont think this is smoke with no fire, and ive never believed angel was some perfect buddha of black cock who was somehow immune to corruption, so finding out she rolled someone isnt exactly blowing my mind. again my single complaint is that by not pursuing this in a manner that embraces restraint, diligence, and diplomacy, youre basically making sure that any revelations that come of this thread are tainted by what will be perceived as a vindictive agenda on your part.and lastly, the whole concept of the anonymous third party is very unfortunate; by making this thread you guarantee that sooner or later, that person will almost certainly be known. so really if youre that concerned with their anonymity, thats probably the biggest argument of all for absolutely not posting this thread and handling this entire situation with the utmost discretion. you could have lambasted her after you had the facts and no one could have said dick about it. this... this is all very ill-conceived.   [sigh] i never thought a year ago i could eventually learn something from nwp...
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Jan 30 2009, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 04:12 AM) Michael, in ever-protective friend-mode, wrote the following to Angel (Vwls) on Boris: QUOTE(michael) Vwls, he knows from the phone call last night that you're fairly easy to suck into these things and draw them out. What benefit would you have to respond at all? I can answer that question, Michael. She can benefit from responding by clearing the air once and for all. If she really has nothing to hide, she should have no problem swearing on her daughter's life that she doesn't owe more than $100 to someone from NWP, and that will be that. For example, if someone came out and accused me of rolling them, I would be proud to answer to the accusations and declare openly that I have cheated nobody and am not covering up any sort of shady dealings. I want to see if Vwls will have the nerve to deny this until I actually bring out the details. I want to see how far she'll take the denial. That seems to be her M/O. She will deny everything and act sweet and innocent until she's 100% sure that you really have the goods on her. Rather than drop the goods right now (and betray this person at the same time), I want to see how far she'll take her insistence that she did nothing wrong to anyone from NWP. So if there is something and this is denied when are you going to bring out the details? 
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Jan 30 2009, 04:09 AM
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As a long time lurker and an occasional poster, I must say this. Micon's leaky asshole has fucked up this site. His fat friend Sole messing with accounts. His dumb hick friend macon messing with accounts. Him and his stupid friends fucked the site up. Micon is getting what he deserves. He is dragging you down with him Druff. Look at the way you are behaving. It is really pathetic. You are now a pathetic clown like micron the man with the leaky assole. Off to boris78.com. Somebody wipe this shit up. It stinks.
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Jan 30 2009, 05:02 AM
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QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 04:14 AM) Also, you guys know me pretty well by now.
Would I be accusing her of such a thing without substantial information to back up my claims?
There's no way I would be coming on so strong with just some bullshit hearsay. Trust me on that one especially. Stop being such a little fucking pussy and just tell the fucking story. Jesus christ. Nobody wants to keep coming back here anymore. Just tell us who she rolled so we can go back to boris and make a fucking celebratory thread about it fuck
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Jan 30 2009, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE(BigDMcGee @ Jan 30 2009, 05:02 AM) QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 11:01 AM) QUOTE(michael @ Jan 30 2009, 01:55 AM) QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 10:44 AM) I am wondering if Michael, who is apparently close friends with Angel, knows the story and is afraid it will come out.
I am starting to think that he might. I like vwls, I wouldn't say we are close friends, no irl stuff or anything, we just both shared a passion about neverwinpoker. I just think your still kinda mad at vwls and are either trying to get more hits as Delaware would say, or venting your anger at her. No one questioned your integrity or called you a liar at boris, so that excuse doesn't really work, and no one knows what your talking about in regards to a rolling, so no one is commenting either way really, if something went down it's between the accuser (if they exist) and vwls. Also Micon said on radio a couple of weeks ago that wrenchjockey was fired in part due to allegations that Micon later found out to be false, so who knows if this is some misunderstanding or a disgruntled user or something. Micon was often in a pot-induced haze and made snap decisions that weren't always well thought-out. I am the opposite of that. The accuser exists, and the evidence is extremely strong. Trust me on that. Vwls demanded an apology for these accusations on boris, and at one point theorized that this was a lie for attention-getting purposes. I am responding. If you don't care, that's your perrogative. Personally, I find it interesting when long-trusted users end up being involved in rollings. r See, that's the problem, druff.. it's the whole "Trust me on that" thing. People want to hear proof, or STFU. If someone has an accusation to make, they should make it. Keeping stuff in the dark and murky is what's making you look bad. He;s not telling anyone what really happened because he wants people to slowly come back here. Plain and simple n other reason to drag this out like a junior high kid on his saturday stroll to the synoguage
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Jan 30 2009, 05:12 AM
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QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 06:12 AM) QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 10:02 PM) QUOTE(sonatine @ Jan 30 2009, 02:58 AM) this is a really solid example of how leadership here fails.
if youre going to step up to the plate and claim you have some monster bomb to drop regarding angels integrity, simply put; a real man makes his case and lets the audience judge, or he steps to angel in private and either reaches a mutual conclusion or gives up and blows her out of the water when no mutual conclusion can be reached.
this whole "want to see how far she goes to deny it" thing, thats vanity and a lust for attention and you finally feeling like youre in a situation where youre immune from critique, so youre milking it.
this is not how people act who expect to be taken seriously as adults, and youre asking to be taken seriously.
and the worst part of all this is... no matter how badly vwls rolled someone, you come off worse than her *again* for making this thread.
delete it or make your case, those are the moves that have integrity. everything else is adolescent territorial exhibitionism. This wouldn't have been done if we weren't accused of being liars and if an apology hadn't been demanded. So instead of dropping this full dramabomb (which, again, would betray someone's trust, as well), I am giving her the chance to either come forward and tell the truth, or to continue on with this charade that she is innocent. There's nothing juvenille about giving someone one more chance to tell the truth. i think the move here would have been to contact vwls through back channels (email, phone) and say "look, im hearing this thing, and if its true then you owe me a pretty huge fucking apology". i actually do think you have a case here, i dont think this is smoke with no fire, and ive never believed angel was some perfect buddha of black cock who was somehow immune to corruption, so finding out she rolled someone isnt exactly blowing my mind. again my single complaint is that by not pursuing this in a manner that embraces restraint, diligence, and diplomacy, youre basically making sure that any revelations that come of this thread are tainted by what will be perceived as a vindictive agenda on your part. and lastly, the whole concept of the anonymous third party is very unfortunate; by making this thread you guarantee that sooner or later, that person will almost certainly be known. so really if youre that concerned with their anonymity, thats probably the biggest argument of all for absolutely not posting this thread and handling this entire situation with the utmost discretion. you could have lambasted her after you had the facts and no one could have said dick about it. this... this is all very ill-conceived. Druff doesn't really know what he's doing when it comes to handling social type situations. forgive him for his elementary train of thought on these dramabombers
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Jan 30 2009, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE(Weiss IS Nice™ @ Jan 30 2009, 07:02 AM) QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jan 30 2009, 04:14 AM) Also, you guys know me pretty well by now.
Would I be accusing her of such a thing without substantial information to back up my claims?
There's no way I would be coming on so strong with just some bullshit hearsay. Trust me on that one especially. Stop being such a little fucking pussy and just tell the fucking story. Jesus christ. Nobody wants to keep coming back here anymore. Just tell us who she rolled so we can go back to boris and make a fucking celebratory thread about it fuck Cmoney is the one that is saying she got scammed and she already admitted to taking money from him that was owed to her. None of the other 5 or 6 people that she has scammed ever made a single post about her rolling them. So why are we hearing about all this crap now Druff? Now that she has been fired and not here to defend herself anymore? Tell the full story and leave the name of this person out or STFU already. Are you learning how to bed shit from Micon now? He is the master.
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Jan 30 2009, 05:35 AM
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If you want an answer to this thread, be sure to check out www.boris78.com where all these types of things will be discussed and answered after weeks of hinting at them and talking about them will take place. Than, once you are familiar with www.boris78.com we will than give you an answer in those next weeks to come. At www.boris78.com we don't just tell you the truth, we also keep you guessing for weeks until we give the full story!
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Jan 30 2009, 06:24 AM
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QUOTE(Missing Maryjane @ Jan 30 2009, 06:10 AM) also todd, whats your plan here? say she comes here and posts that she swears on her childs life that she doesnt owe anyone more than $100... regardless of whether shes telling the truth or lying, then what?? Druff will kill her kid, obviously. He's a man of extreme principle.
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