Live $1/$2 Limit Hold'Em

Hey there Druff,

Was wondering if you'd be able to help me out here. I recently got fired from my shit job at a puppy store(LOL), and I decided to use my last check($254.14) to start my bankroll and try and support myself through poker. I play at a card-room/greyhound race track in Daytona Beach, where nothing but old people and young wannabes(like myself) play. Almost every single person there is atrocious at the game, it's "No Fold'em, Hold'em" where there are always 5-9 callers preflop, and at least 4 people make it to the river. I have been playing selective aggressive and have been coming out on top the days I've been going(3 days and i've made close to 300 dollars.)

Now I guess on to my question: Do you have any advice as to how to limit my swings and pocket more money for how long I spend at the tables(8-9 hour workday). As i said before it's no fold'em hold'em, with old people throwing there social security checks on the table, and young idiots trying to live out the espn wsop dream at 1/2 limit. Also any bankroll management tips for a roll as small as mine(I'm at $457) would be helpful.



Thanks.

don't tip

LMAO, Druff's rule #1 - those dealers must easily make $25K per year at the greyhound track they don;t need your tips.

This is pretty much a terrible idea. No way you can support yourself with 1/2 limit. You'd probably have to be up to at least 5/10 to do it.

But if you really want to try it. I'd just play huge hands/draws. Obv don't bluff ever. Just let them pay you off when you hit.

Good luck I guess

almost impossible to play 5-10 in florida now if you dont come with 1-2k. you see the max buy in in florida is $100 at any table so when you play 5-10 its more like bingo. everyone is shoving to build up a stack. if you come in at the beginning of a table it isnt terrible but if you are coming in later and everyone has 500 or more and you can only buy in for 100 you are pretty much fucked cuz you are getting called every hand.

I play at Ft. Pierce Jai Alai at 1-2 and it isnt so bad. Ive been doing decent althought i just got back after dropping 200 when retards go in with middle pair and hit their second on the river. Saturdays, at least where I play people play alot looser and it can be hard if you are just starting out even playing tight, so I hardly go on Saturdays. I play pretty standard tight aggressive and have been making 500-1000 a week, with the exception of this week which has been suck out city.

I kinda started off like you did as far as bankroll so I decided to build up to 3k and use that for my 1-2 bankroll. If you are a winning player 30-40 buyins should be good and tough for you to go broke.

Yeah i come with 2 buy ins for the day(minimum to sit down is 50). i dont need more than that because with my bankroll being as meager as it is i dont want to jeopardize more than the already 25 percent i carry with me to the card room.

And as for supporting myself with 1/2 limit, i am 22 and still live at home and i dont have the things normal people have, like a phone, or internet(i mooch off of friends), so i dont really have any bills to pay except tuition for school and my car. I'm trying to build up to about $1200-$2000 and then move up to 1/2 no limit and 2/4 limit. That and the HardRock in Tampa has a ridiculous 1/5 spread limit stud game(there's no ante, just low card brings it in) and they play as loose as the people at my dog track so i definately want to build up to be able to play that.

I don't think that game will be beatable in the long run, too low of stakes and too much rake.

You should play online instead and build your roll with a job, believe it or not I suggest delivering pizzas with a national chain. Dominoes pays min wage plus tips and gas money and you usually get free food. Put half of the tips and gas money in your online roll, and signup for rakeback.

It won't be a good living but you won't starve while you grind up a roll.

need to play 10/20 at least and prob 20/40 to make any sort of "living." 2bb/hour is generous with rake and what not and that is $4/hour for you. lol, better off working at mcdonalds and building the roll that way. plus if you bust your 457 which you are likely to do you'll be fucked. pretty much your fucked unless you get online and make some money playing 2/4 or get a job.

1/2 or 2/4 limit holdem is unbeatable due to rake. Might as well light it on fire.

well my goal is pretty average and thats to make as much money as if i were working a shit job like normal and so far i've done well. I've averaged about 70 a day so far and i've played 5 days so i've made give or take 350 untaxed dollars lol. This game is as easy and as loose as my friend rachel.

Live or online or both?

I'd say moreso live. At least you can multitable low stakes LHE online, and get rakeback.

Either way, IMO, low limit HE is mostly retarded to start out short with. You are better off taking the 247 or whatever to a NLHE table and try to make a heeb run. The variance in LHE is ridiculious and you can never protect your medium strength hands fully. Now if you go on sick heater, you obv blow up huge, but making a big hand in HE is so hard in the first place that I just don't see it worth the effort.

If I was OP, I'd get a new job, build a BR to up to $1K, and then start playing LHE at the casino. You really should be starting with 500 BB if you have ANY inclinations of playing for a living, some even say 1000 BB or 1500 BB.

i have been beating 1-2 limit for an average of 5.5 bb hr this yr on stars after rake and no rakeback

well i've been playing as many days i can get out there and so far it's been 3 days this week and 3 days last. I've been a winner except in one session where i left 37 down. The next day i bought in for 50 and cashed out with 204. I've pretty much been averaging about $70+ a day and most of the time thats only about a 4 hour session each day. Today i bought in for 50, cashed out with 130, after about 4 hours and went and payed my credit card bill for 50 bucks, bought me and my girl dinner and still have 20 left over. my bankroll is at 594 right now. It'd be higher if i didnt have to pay my card or if i bought lunch. I just play tight because even when these players know that you play nothing but premium hands they will still call you down to keep you honest. so i can sit and wait for a hand and still have plenty of action. these people arent playing for money they are playing for entertainment so i am making a killing at 1/2.

I'd say stop this and deposit your money online. Like everybody else said 1-2 lhe live is nearly impossible to beat in the long run because of the rake. If you can beat it, you won't beat it for any more than 1 bb per hour. If you are going to play your best option would be to deposit the money online and find a game to specialize in, get good at it, and grind that out with rakeback. Playing 4 .50-1.00 tables online with rakeback > playing 1 1-2 lhe game live.

You assume the guy can beat online games. That is far from established bymhis postings. He basically appears to be using hte delaware system. Those 1/2 limit players online are going to be in a completely different class. He should definitely play .5/1 online and make sure he can beat it. (I'm not saying he can't.. I just have no idea)

The "delaware" system only says to play tight preflop. What a fucking revelation at full-ring limit. I agree that 1/2 limit online might be too much for someone who's only played in some ridiculous live game, though. .5/1 is where it's at. He'll make at least 6x as much as in the 1/2 live game 4 - 8 tabling, though.

In a tighter online game, you'll need to adjust considerably given that it will be folded to later positions often. Not sure what you mean by "fucking revelation at full-ring limit". I'm saying that delaware system won't work as well online because players are tighter and you'll be in situations that are closer to 5 handed than having 5 limpers before you act on the button.... 2 totally different games.

I was being sarcastic about Delaware's system. He never introduced anything new. You MUST play tight at full ring limit. Was not bashing your advice in any way. I know that when I used to play full ring limit, one thing that completely opened my game up and made me make about 1 big bet per hundred MORE was opening shit like 86s in the cutoff. Definitely those late position steal situations are key to the online games. 3-betting more out of the blinds is a must.

Again, what delaware has touted as a "system" was just saying play tight preflop. To that I said "what a fucking revelation at 10-handed limit."

Again, not insulting you. Your advice in this thread has been solid. Sorry for confusion.

lol they actually play 1/2 limit LIVE somewhere?

lol the only winner in that game is the rake.