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post Sep 4 2008, 05:48 PM
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The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
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Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


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QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Sep 5 2008, 01:48 AM) *
The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
Republicans:

Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


Given the economy, the war, and the failures and unpopularity of Bush, how can it not be a blow out?

The biggest wild card is the black factor. If he Obama wasn't black, or atleast didn't have the shady and very exploitable family history, it wouldn't even be close. If Hillary was running, this thing would be over already.

In my opinion, the single biggest factor why I would rather have McCain than Obama is the border. Yeah, yeah McCain likely won't do shit either but atleast the issue might be addressed once the election is over when his own party forces him to do something.
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post Sep 4 2008, 06:34 PM
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of course obama is going to do something. he's going to tax the living shit outta everyone except the mcdonald's workers


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post Sep 4 2008, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(v12cl @ Sep 4 2008, 10:27 PM) *
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The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
Republicans:

Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


Given the economy, the war, and the failures and unpopularity of Bush, how can it not be a blow out?



short answer?

fear.


were you not around in 04? have u not been watching tv this week?


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post Sep 4 2008, 06:38 PM
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below is a post of why i don't think the republican aren't out of it yet despite all of the dirty laundry that has come out about the republicans recently. despite everything, the republicans are holding steady in the betting props. yes, my views are a little right of center but something seems a little fishy to me. fwiw, i'm not voting for either candidate this election year.

on a side note, mccain's speach tonight sounds more like the old republican party rather than recent practice. below is that post i was referring to....



i don't follow politics much and my political views are a little right of center but i do have what would be considered a contrarian point of view on this stuff. obama is definitely charasmatic and when i hear him speak i actually thinks it's inspiring. however, there's a part of me that from a market perspective truely believes that it will not happen for the following reasons.....what more could possibly come out to damage the republicans? they've called on someone who is greatly inexperienced to hold the title of VP of the USA and there is already massive dirty laundry being aired, yet the actual market(wagers) has moved in McCain's favor and is holding steady. this is a HUGE edge for the McCain camp.

unfortunately, race is a huge factor even though it shouldn't be. does anyone remember when the last pope died and the vatican met to announce a new pope? an african american was a huge favorite(according to the press) to be the next pope while "change & diversity" was one of the main slogans. obviously that didn't work out so well which isn't right, but understandable when you are looking at institutions with "traditions."

also, imo, political campaigns usually have huge swings in public perceptions. if you paid attention to the "market" for the hillary/obama nomination, hillary was at one point -350ish to win the nomination early in the campaign(similar to obama now). by the time the real campaigning started, obama took over and cruised in. with obama receiving all of the attention early, the recent dirt being dished on the republicans and them holding steady and throw in the race issues, i honestly feel there is going to be some sort of bomb released on the Obama camp that will be too much to overcome once the heavy campaigning starts.




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post Sep 4 2008, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(dual @ Sep 5 2008, 12:37 PM) *
QUOTE(v12cl @ Sep 4 2008, 10:27 PM) *
QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Sep 5 2008, 01:48 AM) *
The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
Republicans:

Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


Given the economy, the war, and the failures and unpopularity of Bush, how can it not be a blow out?



short answer?

fear.


were you not around in 04? have u not been watching tv this week?


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post Sep 4 2008, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(dual @ Sep 5 2008, 02:37 AM) *
QUOTE(v12cl @ Sep 4 2008, 10:27 PM) *
QUOTE(GAMBLE-BOT @ Sep 5 2008, 01:48 AM) *
The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
Republicans:

Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


Given the economy, the war, and the failures and unpopularity of Bush, how can it not be a blow out?



short answer?

fear.


were you not around in 04? have u not been watching tv this week?


It's the economy stupid, Obama will win.

If he doesn't, your right, it is fear but a different sort. Last time it was security threats, this time people are scared of electing a black dude with a sketchy past and very little history. You can believe or not believe the "Republican" talkling points about Obama, but you have to admit, they have found his biggest flaw and exploited it to perfection.
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post Sep 4 2008, 06:57 PM
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Id actually like to see Obama win.

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post Sep 4 2008, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(Hector Omar the Mexican @ Sep 4 2008, 10:34 PM) *
of course obama is going to do something. he's going to tax the living shit outta everyone except the mcdonald's workers


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fuck. i was feeling confident about Obama's chances until this post ASHAMED.GIF



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QUOTE(liquidsyphon @ Sep 5 2008, 03:20 AM) *
QUOTE(Hector Omar the Mexican @ Sep 4 2008, 10:34 PM) *
of course obama is going to do something. he's going to tax the living shit outta everyone except the mcdonald's workers


odds you make over 200k a year?

you're a fool if u think he's only going after the 200k+ crowd


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post Sep 4 2008, 08:11 PM
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It's just tough for the Republicans. They had to have a convention to appeal to the base. That's what Palin is, evidenced by her speech. The Republican base was pretty much resigned to defeat before the convention. So McCain and Co had to energize the base to have a chance. Now they must go out and convince undecideds to vote for them.

The Democrats didn't have some fractured convention, nor were they going to have one. It was all nonsense media trumped up silliness to think the Clinton's were going to ruin the party. All they have to do is say "change". The current Republican administration approval rating is the WORST EVER. Change in any form is not exactly a tough sell.

Policy aside, the last 8 years have been worse than the previous 8. Republicans have been in control and are blamed, rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly. Have you ever met an undecided voter? They aren't exactly perusing the candidate's website looking for policy. People vote on personality and the perception of the economy in almost every presidential race. The last 8 years were so bad that a black guy is currently ahead with two months left. Republicans have to hope that swing/independent/undecided/casual/apathetic voters are racist.
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Republicans have to hope that swing/independent/undecided/casual/apathetic voters are racist.


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post Sep 4 2008, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(v12cl @ Sep 4 2008, 10:56 PM) *
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The problem that the Republicans have in this election is that most Americans believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Having watched nearly the entire convention, I haven't heard one single idea that they propose doing that will change anything.
Republicans:

Obama's solutions may be all the wrong ideas in your eyes, but do you really believe he will do nothing? I mean if he will do nothing and has done nothing as has been said in this entire convention, what the fuck are you afraid of? Ahhh, you must be afraid he will do something you dont like. Thats reasonable. Problem is, people want something done........just what the fuck is McCain going to do to change anything? I can buy that may be great leader in office. But even a overwhelming victory in Iraq (where we can send all our troops home in 5 years) and drilling for the 3% of the oil our country needs, doesn't do a goddamn thing for someone who lost his job or is working one he is overqualified for...which is more often the case. Please list what he plans to do, so that moderates on this site might vote for him. Thanks.


I am predicting a 50+ electoral point loss, 57 senate seats for the dems which will be damn near filibuster proof, and 255 house seats to 180.


Given the economy, the war, and the failures and unpopularity of Bush, how can it not be a blow out?



short answer?

fear.


were you not around in 04? have u not been watching tv this week?


It's the economy stupid, Obama will win.

If he doesn't, your right, it is fear but a different sort. Last time it was security threats, this time people are scared of electing a black dude with a sketchy past and very little history. You can believe or not believe the "Republican" talkling points about Obama, but you have to admit, they have found his biggest flaw and exploited it to perfection.


ya, thats exactly what i meant actually... everything you said above was encapsulated in rudi guliani's speech wed night...even tho a lot of it was LOL horrible


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