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Phil Hellmuth Breaking Rules, Harrah's Floormen Absurdly Incompitent, From $1500 Stud 8 Event tonight... updates inside

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post Jun 27 2008, 02:33 AM
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[read the full report here: http://www.neverwinpoker.com/phil-hellmuth...ell-phone-rules ]

This is how Pnews reported it:

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Where Phil Goes, Controversy Follows

It's never a quiet table if Phil Hellmuth is sitting at it. The table in question in this instance is Brasilia #32. We're not sure what prompted it, but some sort of dispute broke out. Hellmuth, as is his wont, suggested to one of the other players at the table that he should, "Stop f*ckin' complaining."

That player was the bring-in for the hand being played, and refused to bring it in. He called for a floor to come over, wanting a penalty to be given for Hellmuth's F-bomb.

A floor was called over. Hellmuth was adamant that he didn't actually drop an F-bomb. Bryan Micon added his own two cents by pointing at the ESPN cameras that scurried over to the table, suggesting that, "If the cameras were over here in the first place, we could rewind the tapes" to determine exactly what Hellmuth said. He also offered Hellmuth a bet as to whether or not Hellmuth let fly the forbidden profanity.

In the end, Hellmuth was given a warning. The floor supervisor decided that even if Hellmuth did say what was alleged, it wasn't excessive enough to warrant a penalty.

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Here is what really happened:

Phil was on the phone while looking at his first hole card. The kid straight from the internet sitting to my right called the floor immediately. The very very incompetent floorman who has given me shitty rulings this whole WSOP (Maybe 3 different times) whose name I am going to get tomorrow and take a pic of him I think his name is Steven or something. He is baldish and tall and very mean all the time and DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE RULES OF THIS GAME. In fact, I promise you I will identify this guy and I will have a copy of the motherfucking WSOP rules with me at all times. Fuck this bullshit with Phil Hellmuth or an absurdly ignorant floorperson making up rules MUST STOP.

Anyway, look for that info on who this floorperson is tomorrow. So the kid from the internet calls the floor on Hellmuth and the retard comes over and immediately Phil tells him what happened. (not the dealer, of course). The floorman immediately declares the hand live. I ask what the rule is about cell phones, he replies that there is no rule about cell phones and the "stepping away from the table" is just a courtesy to the players. Phil H's documentary guy has this on film, maybe ESPN too. This guy makes the complete wrong ruling and I protest. (plz someone link me to the WSOP rules ASAP) I say Phil's hand should be dead because this same Dbag almost declared MY hand dead in the $1500NL right when I got to the table under under a different ruling he fucked up (must be @ seat by LAST card dealt)... but anyway I protest and Phil looks at me and says "STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING." Now the floor is right fucking there. He was looking right at me. He said fuck right at my face. I ask this fucko what he is going to do about and if Phil gets a penalty. He says he does not. Phil explodes and tries to bet me that he didn't sweat at me or some such nonsense when the whole fucking table saw what happened. I keep my cool as the internet kid to my right starts screaming that the rules are different for Phil Hellmuth....

Now the internet kid refuses to bring in during all of this. Mind you the floor is just standing there saying nothing not even trying to calm down the situation watching all of this like it will just work itself out naturally. The floor now, after not declaring Phil's hand dead and not penalizing him for saying Fuck in my face, forces the kid to bring in or his hand will be dead. I fold, phil folds his cell-phone hand, and someone raises and wins the antes and bring in. lol @ kid refusing to bring in. He was tilted.

More shenanigans about this hand I will randomly remember and post here.

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post Jun 27 2008, 04:26 AM
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LOL asking Helmuth why hes not playing in the 50k HORSE is pretty funny but out of line unless hes being a cocksucker, also Harrahs had to fuck it up somehow this year, this time its the floor people.
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post Jun 27 2008, 07:45 AM
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Rule #87: ... A player who wants to use a phone must be at least 1 table length away from their assigned table or be subject to penalty. The hand of any player talking on a cell phone, texting, e-mailing, or otherwise communicating electronically while in a hand with action pending will be declared dead.

http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wso...nt-rules.08.pdf
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post Jun 27 2008, 10:39 AM
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Micon finally figured out a way to get on ESPN again. We know you won't be on there because your at a final table. I can only imagine what Hellmuth was thinking when this skinny fucking jew he's never heard of called him out.
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post Jun 27 2008, 10:48 AM
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Ship this to Harrah's management - have that clueless floor guy fired.

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Also, does Phil hate you now, or will there be a chance of making out with him after the tourney? We obv want him on NWP radio and TV immediately.


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post Jun 27 2008, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(I Love Micon @ Jun 27 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Micon finally figured out a way to get on ESPN again. We know you won't be on there because your at a final table. I can only imagine what Hellmuth was thinking when this skinny fucking jew he's never heard of called him out.


step 1 to getting on ESPN for poker: go play the WSOP. I think I'll go now


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post Jun 27 2008, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(FckVwls @ Jun 27 2008, 06:48 PM) *
Ship this to Harrah's management - have that clueless floor guy fired.

HOF

Also, does Phil hate you now, or will there be a chance of making out with him after the tourney? We obv want him on NWP radio and TV immediately.



Speak for yourself. I hate that fucking douchebag. Sooooooooo..............how's the Nicole/Vwls mud wrestling coming along? Need a backer? I can supply a place, mud, and guarantee a purse. Holla :wink1.gif


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post Jun 27 2008, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(CrankyMessiah @ Jun 27 2008, 02:53 PM) *
QUOTE(FckVwls @ Jun 27 2008, 06:48 PM) *
Ship this to Harrah's management - have that clueless floor guy fired.

HOF

Also, does Phil hate you now, or will there be a chance of making out with him after the tourney? We obv want him on NWP radio and TV immediately.



Speak for yourself. I hate that fucking douchebag. Sooooooooo..............how's the Nicole/Vwls mud wrestling coming along? Need a backer? I can supply a place, mud, and guarantee a purse. Holla :wink1.gif



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post Jun 27 2008, 11:34 AM
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I was playing ring games in the Rio when they started the 2-7 tourney. The tourney director stated over the intercom that if a player wished to make a phone call to please step away from the table. He also said "If you want to send text messages I could care less, as long as your not cheating".



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QUOTE(micon @ Jun 27 2008, 06:50 PM) *
QUOTE(I Love Micon @ Jun 27 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Micon finally figured out a way to get on ESPN again. We know you won't be on there because your at a final table. I can only imagine what Hellmuth was thinking when this skinny fucking jew he's never heard of called him out.


step 1 to getting on ESPN for poker: go play the WSOP. I think I'll go now


No, step 1 for you was begging for stakes.
Step 2 would be sell car.

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post Jun 27 2008, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(I Love Micon @ Jun 27 2008, 08:53 PM) *
QUOTE(micon @ Jun 27 2008, 06:50 PM) *
QUOTE(I Love Micon @ Jun 27 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Micon finally figured out a way to get on ESPN again. We know you won't be on there because your at a final table. I can only imagine what Hellmuth was thinking when this skinny fucking jew he's never heard of called him out.


step 1 to getting on ESPN for poker: go play the WSOP. I think I'll go now


No, step 1 for you was begging for stakes.
Step 2 would be sell car.


Thought you loved micon all i hear is fuckin hate negro.
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post Jun 27 2008, 12:06 PM
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The very very incompetent floorman who has given me shitty rulings this whole WSOP (Maybe 3 different times) whose name I am going to get tomorrow and take a pic of him I think his name is Steven or something.


I actually believe this is the same guy Daniel was complaining about during either NL shootout or 6 handed event. It was an extra stack fiasco during last year's WSOP involving his table, where Kathy Liebert and Gavin Smith and were trying to figure out whose dead stack some donk got screwed out of, and "Steven" had no idea what happened and had to get other floor men to assist him (DN was a little miffed b/c the dead stack was in between him and the two pros).

Either way, great story, hope they show it on ESPN. If Hellmuth ever finds this place, I'm sure he'll marvel at the moment of cock photoshopped pics there are of him around here (the one I remember from the old forum was where he was brushing his teeth during the famous 2003 ME piece).

Not to be a stickler here, but isn't the rule you can't say fuck TOWARDS a player, like "Fuck you" or "You fucking douchebag". I know before last year they had the no exceptions policy which everyone hated, and it was changed after Andy Bloch, who I believe is on the bullshit players committee, was upset his wife got called for a penalty when she said, "Oh shit, that fucking sucks" when her Queens got 4-flushed on the river in a race vs AT during a NL event in 2005.

Hate to say it, but Harrah's DOES have different rules for the bigger players (although suprisingly Hellmuth was placed in the "sweaty as balls" tent during a 2K NLH event that Druff complained about last year). They often come in through the kitchen back door to avoid the riff raff, and Phil was called, "a whore for Harrah's" by Mike the Mouth in a PAD episode this year, as his face is on every Milwaukee's Best can and ad throughout the casino.


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Update:

1) floor's name = Robert Smith
2) His ruling on Phil's Cell-phone hand WAS CORRECT - PHIL HAS A LIVE HAND
3) but only because rule #87 of the WSOP (which you can only get online, and is of course incorrect) was changed but not updated anywhere
4) His ruling on Phil telling me right in my face to "Stop Fucking complaining" is still up for discussion...


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QUOTE(micon @ Jun 28 2008, 09:54 PM) *
Update:

1) floor's name = Robert Smith
2) His ruling on Phil's Cell-phone hand WAS CORRECT - PHIL HAS A LIVE HAND
3) but only because rule #87 of the WSOP (which you can only get online, and is of course incorrect) was changed but not updated anywhere
4) His ruling on Phil telling me right in my face to "Stop Fucking complaining" is still up for discussion...



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Full report

http://www.neverwinpoker.com/phil-hellmuth...ell-phone-rules


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post Jun 28 2008, 07:29 PM
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I would call the gambling commission. Seriously. Harrah's posting rules online, then changing them, then not giving players access to the modified rules is a clear violation of state gambling laws. Report the dickhead floor person, and the person immediately above him as the principles involved.
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i cant wait until im fortunate enough to afford going to vegas for the wsop!!!,
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QUOTE(Suicide_King @ Jun 28 2008, 07:46 PM) *
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you have no idea... not being able to see an accurate rule book for a ridiculously high dollar gambling game is a big fucking deal to those that actually play in it.

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I would call the gambling commission. Seriously. Harrah's posting rules online, then changing them, then not giving players access to the modified rules is a clear violation of state gambling laws. Report the dickhead floor person, and the person immediately above him as the principles involved.


Also quite a good idea. I promise they are breaking a rule by not shipping me the rules.


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