$15/$30 Bellagio Game

Was listening to a radio archive and heard Micon rolled them all for $1k at the Bellagio 15/30 limit game. Druff said its a great game but you gotta with stand the variance.

Can anyone offer more insight into it. You think a solid limit player can roll in and make at least $30 an hour (1 big bet) over the long term. Is it possible to pull a $100K a year from this game.

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i doubt anybody could make a decent living playing a live 15-30 game, but you could probably make enough to get by if thats your goal.

here is a hand from the bellagio 15/30 game that i think sums it up nicely:

this older white guy who obv is tagmatic and rocking like a near single digit VPIP raised UTG. im in like lp and call a EP raise with 22. hes the type of guy who folds pocket pairs in EP, so im figuring if an A or K doesnt hit the board, MHIG more often than not.

flop is 47T, rainbow. he bets, i call.
turn is a 7. he bets, i call.
river is a 6. he checks. *i bet because im a total asshole*. he calls, mucks to my dueces, and storms away from the table for 30 minutes.

its basically more of a fashion show than a poker game.

whats funny is the 30/60 is the exact opposite, its absolutely vicious and filthy with strong players/regs/pros.

How does it sum it up nicely? Who do you think played it worse.......

i think being so painfully straight forward and basically playing his hand face up made him an easy mark, it was fun, sfo.

and frankly i dont have a problem in the world with how i played it; if i raised the turn he folds. by c/c the turn and betting the river i got an extra bet, so im unclear how you think i fucked this hand up..

as for summing it up nicely, its a straight forward game and 80% of the people at the table are going to play exactly the same way then spaz out like estrogen soaked housewives when it doesnt work out.

How was he "painfully straighforward" ? He should have checked his overcards before the river? Bluffed his overcards on the river ?

Obv you don't have a problem with how you played it, or you wouldn't have written this post like you did.

My take is even the pros in this game are pretty weak. There are a few decent guys who aren't playing 30/60. The guys who would be the best at the 15/30 games have by and large moved to 30/60.

Single digit VPIP yet you CC with 22 in late positoin against an UTG raiser... and you see nothing wrong with it. If the dude didn't fold overcards on the river, your call there seems pretty horrendous... but you're right, thats typical for the game.

his raising range in that spot is either premium pairs or AK, and he has AK a lot more than a premium pair.

whatever, i didnt post it for a strat discussion, i posted it because (and we agree on this) there arent many truly dangerous players in that game, they moved up, and if you dont run cold or end up bumping tusks with someone whose running hotter than you, it can be a very soft game filled with major tilt cases.

Not a strat discussion, I'm just trying to figure out your thought process. This guy must fold JJ UTG if he doesn't play AQ and will have AK a lot more than a premium pair. Actually, he'd need to have to fold QQ too for this to be treu. So his range must be AA/KK/AK.. and you're calling down hoping he doesn't hit an A or K AND doesn't have AA/KK. Then you value bet on the river with no A or K and thats the only way you can extract value otu of the hand.. after being a CCD. Fuck, if the dude plays the hand as straightforward as you claim, you should have 3 bet the 22 and then see if he had AA/KK and saved $ postflop when you miss a set. Not only that, your 22 is so vulnerable you want the BB out of there so he isn't coinfliping with you 95% of the time.

REAL TALK

Basically what I'm saying is that if I see someone CC my utg raise with 22 in a lhe game.. especially without other callers giving you better odds.. I think.. tahts a very good player to have in the game. Just something you might consider if you are playing those games regularly and want to maximize your winrate.

hmmmm....

Fu making very valid points here.

i didnt read all this chat other that son's original post, but if you know he has ak you should 3bet 22 preflop to isolate

i concede that i played the hand badly. there are good points being made.

wow @ that hand and the thought process behind it.

this from the guy who is scared to tell me his handle on cake after PM'ing me, asking if we just played together there.

it was in the pm when you said it was you. Probably somewhere after the word "pwnt". I didnt reply because I assumed you would figure it out considering it was less than 2 sentences long

lol at just plain making shit up:

arioch@variance /cygdrive/c/Program Files/Sportsbook Poker/Hand Histories/sonatine
$ grep -i _hoyt_ *

arioch@variance /cygdrive/c/Program Files/Sportsbook Poker/Hand Histories/sonatine
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