Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V   1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> 

LHE 6 max, is it possible to beat this multi tabling?

SetofKs
post Jul 9 2008, 10:50 PM
Post #1


NWP Pirahna
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 2,184
Joined: 10-March 05
From: SCSU
Member No.: 539



Back in the day, I used to be able to fire up 6 tables of $10-20 lhe on party and crush it on a regular basis. I would just play like a robot and rake in the money. Recently I tried playing 4 of these tables at 5-10 lhe and got crushed. The game was too tough, and playing that many tables I couldn't really make any reads on the players. I'll admit LHE isn't my specialty, but I still think I am a pretty good player. My question is can a above average/good LHE player not named Mike Schneider or Dan Druff make money playing more than two tables of 6 max above the 2-4 level online? It seems to me like the games are too tough, and you need to be able to make player reads in these games to beat them. To me it is too tough to make these read when multi tabling. Do any of you guys consistently beat these games while multi tabling? Maybe I just suck.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chinamaniac
post Jul 10 2008, 12:06 AM
Post #2


NWP Maniac
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 6,539
Joined: 27-December 05
Member No.: 2,134



QUOTE(SetofKs @ Jul 10 2008, 02:50 AM) *
Back in the day, I used to be able to fire up 6 tables of $10-20 lhe on party and crush it on a regular basis. I would just play like a robot and rake in the money. Recently I tried playing 4 of these tables at 5-10 lhe and got crushed. The game was too tough, and playing that many tables I couldn't really make any reads on the players. I'll admit LHE isn't my specialty, but I still think I am a pretty good player. My question is can a above average/good LHE player not named Mike Schneider or Dan Druff make money playing more than two tables of 6 max above the 2-4 level online? It seems to me like the games are too tough, and you need to be able to make player reads in these games to beat them. To me it is too tough to make these read when multi tabling. Do any of you guys consistently beat these games while multi tabling? Maybe I just suck.

I pretty much have been 2 tabling 2-4 and 3-6 and making good money playing like a robot and finding donks. There are plenty on cake at these levels. To me it seems the 5-10 and 10- 20 games have gotten tougher the last 2 yrs but I don't play them often cause II am underrolled at the moment. I have played limit with you on stars a few times and you should be able to crush the 3-6 games over there. SOmetimes 3 and 4 tabling 1-2 can be very profitable as well for me. But all games are a lot tougher than the party days. I have been watching the low limit plo games and they look very beatable over there as well.


--------------------
2008 Week 1 Ncaa Football Scores

USC 51 Virginia 3
Kansas 59 Florida Intl 7
Florida 59 Hawaii 17
Wisconsin 49 Akron 10

SHIP THE STACK TO MANIAC

Sidedish will win an MTT by 8/16- CHECK 1 for 1
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mhFo5XdD
post Jul 10 2008, 04:27 AM
Post #3


NWP Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 11
Joined: 17-May 08
Member No.: 10,556



I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lebanon
post Jul 10 2008, 05:48 AM
Post #4


NWP Super-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 214
Joined: 9-September 06
Member No.: 3,528



Is there a filter on pokertracker3 that will show your multi-tabling stats? Anything more than 2 tables I'm sure I'm down a ton. But lately I've just been adding tables gradually throughout sessions after I get a feel for the table then I can 4 table fairly well. Currently beating games 5/10 and up for 2.73 BB/Hour (1.37/100).
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lebanon
post Jul 10 2008, 05:50 AM
Post #5


NWP Super-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 214
Joined: 9-September 06
Member No.: 3,528



QUOTE(SetofKs @ Jul 10 2008, 04:50 PM) *
My question is can a above average/good LHE player not named Mike Schneider or Dan Druff make money playing more than two tables of 6 max above the 2-4 level online?


I actually thought I heard Druff say he can't, or doesn't play more than 2 tables.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lebanon
post Jul 10 2008, 06:03 AM
Post #6


NWP Super-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 214
Joined: 9-September 06
Member No.: 3,528



Ok I have more to say. I'm not very familiar with NL, but in Limit I feel there's so many marginal spots that are very player dependent where you're saving/gaining 1 or 2 bets. Inducing bluffs, thin value bets, and light call downs can very difficult without a detailed read on a player. Also there's much more action on each street in LHE which makes it increasingly difficult to multi-table.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
DanDruff
post Jul 11 2008, 06:32 AM
Post #7


NWP Bracelet Winner
Group Icon

Group: Root Admin
Posts: 9,889
Joined: 17-June 04
From: Las Vegas
Member No.: 44



Good question, actually.

I was never a fan of "extreme" multi-tabling in limit hold 'em. I'm referring to playing more than 3 tables at once. The only way this is really feasible is if you are in exceptionally good games to where you can still be +EV despite not being able to pay full attention to the game and its opponents. For example, if you find 4 6-max games with at least one uberdonk in each, it's probably good to play all four if you can handle it.

Otherwise, you're probably better off playing fewer games and concentrating on them a bit more. If that's not enough action for you, try playing a bit higher but running fewer tables.

Personally, I usually only have 1 or 2 games running. At times I'll do 3, but never more than 4.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
faduniak
post Jul 11 2008, 11:11 PM
Post #8


NWP Pirahna
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,008
Joined: 29-July 04
Member No.: 112



QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chinamaniac
post Jul 12 2008, 12:29 AM
Post #9


NWP Maniac
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 6,539
Joined: 27-December 05
Member No.: 2,134



QUOTE(faduniak @ Jul 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy

I hate his gay avatar


--------------------
2008 Week 1 Ncaa Football Scores

USC 51 Virginia 3
Kansas 59 Florida Intl 7
Florida 59 Hawaii 17
Wisconsin 49 Akron 10

SHIP THE STACK TO MANIAC

Sidedish will win an MTT by 8/16- CHECK 1 for 1
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PinchHitter
post Jul 13 2008, 05:54 PM
Post #10


NWP Pirahna
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 4,145
Joined: 23-June 05
From: B-List
Member No.: 947



Yup, get a good rakeback deal though or your toast.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
reggiman
post Jul 14 2008, 05:02 AM
Post #11


NWP John Anthony
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 2,115
Joined: 9-May 05
Member No.: 756



QUOTE(DanDruff @ Jul 11 2008, 10:32 AM) *
Good question, actually.

I was never a fan of "extreme" multi-tabling in limit hold 'em. I'm referring to playing more than 3 tables at once. The only way this is really feasible is if you are in exceptionally good games to where you can still be +EV despite not being able to pay full attention to the game and its opponents. For example, if you find 4 6-max games with at least one uberdonk in each, it's probably good to play all four if you can handle it.

Otherwise, you're probably better off playing fewer games and concentrating on them a bit more. If that's not enough action for you, try playing a bit higher but running fewer tables.

Personally, I usually only have 1 or 2 games running. At times I'll do 3, but never more than 4.


Keep in mind when Druff gives advice about multitabling that he doesn't use a hud or even PT as far as I know. For awhile I was playing 12-15 tables at once when the games died down post UIGEA and no huge donks were around. I would say the answer is yes you can win mass multitabling as a robot, but if you do this you absolutely need a hud. It's very important when a table pops up and you see an utg raise from a 18vpip player that you are folding your AT on the button to him in a 6 handed game.

Every site including stars will give you some sort of rewards for playing, but unless you're going to be putting in huge volume to get supernova I recommend playing elsewhere.


--------------------
QUOTE(x)
ship the georges
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
benhogan
post Jul 14 2008, 09:20 PM
Post #12


NWP Pirahna
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 3,219
Joined: 16-December 04
From: with arms wide open
Member No.: 306



QUOTE(Chinamaniac @ Jul 12 2008, 02:29 AM) *
QUOTE(faduniak @ Jul 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy

I hate his gay avatar


I talk mad shit to the little fucker....seems like such a luckbox but his stats tell a diff story


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chinamaniac
post Jul 15 2008, 12:00 AM
Post #13


NWP Maniac
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 6,539
Joined: 27-December 05
Member No.: 2,134



QUOTE(benhogan @ Jul 15 2008, 01:20 AM) *
QUOTE(Chinamaniac @ Jul 12 2008, 02:29 AM) *
QUOTE(faduniak @ Jul 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy

I hate his gay avatar


I talk mad shit to the little fucker....seems like such a luckbox but his stats tell a diff story

I usually do well against him


--------------------
2008 Week 1 Ncaa Football Scores

USC 51 Virginia 3
Kansas 59 Florida Intl 7
Florida 59 Hawaii 17
Wisconsin 49 Akron 10

SHIP THE STACK TO MANIAC

Sidedish will win an MTT by 8/16- CHECK 1 for 1
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
jaaaaakke
post Jul 15 2008, 10:30 AM
Post #14


NWP Pirahna
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,516
Joined: 16-February 06
Member No.: 2,407



I think cakepoker has some extremely soft low/mid games.. Game selection is key though, I'll never jump in unless I see some donks playing. Also, does anyone have a way to use pokertracker for cake? Or any other type of database for the site?


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
gum
post Jul 22 2008, 05:49 PM
Post #15


NWP Uber-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 987
Joined: 5-April 06
From: iowa
Member No.: 2,683



QUOTE(Chinamaniac @ Jul 12 2008, 06:29 PM) *
QUOTE(faduniak @ Jul 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy

I hate his gay avatar


he says its a picture of marchinvest. not sure if thats true

TheMoreYouKnow.jpg


--------------------
QUOTE(devidee @ Aug 4 2008, 07:41 AM) *
QUOTE(408mike @ Aug 3 2008, 10:26 PM) *
I heard Dubai is one of the sickest spots to move to is this true? Also english is pretty widely spoken and I wouldn't have to learn any new language.


Mike, retarded/poor people are lured there for manual labor and then their passports are stolen so they can't leave. You'd fit right in.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Chinamaniac
post Jul 24 2008, 11:43 AM
Post #16


NWP Maniac
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 6,539
Joined: 27-December 05
Member No.: 2,134



QUOTE(gum @ Jul 22 2008, 09:49 PM) *
QUOTE(Chinamaniac @ Jul 12 2008, 06:29 PM) *
QUOTE(faduniak @ Jul 12 2008, 03:11 AM) *
QUOTE(mhFo5XdD @ Jul 10 2008, 10:27 PM) *
I know dbeckham7467 is a huge winner (at least in $/day) and he plays completely on autopilot without HUD. There are also quite a few other high volume low/mid stakes players at Stars, I assume they are all winners? icon_smile.gif There's no way you get crushed at 5/10, but it's definitely no picnic.


plays far from auto pilot...ive logged a large amount of hands with him..and when he isnt 4 betting 10jo and flopping straights he is check raising bottom pair on the river. He is a good player but makes good moves for how many tables he plays at once...with that said i hate the guy

I hate his gay avatar


he says its a picture of marchinvest. not sure if thats true

TheMoreYouKnow.jpg

I JUST BENT IT LIKE BECKHAM

FACE


--------------------
2008 Week 1 Ncaa Football Scores

USC 51 Virginia 3
Kansas 59 Florida Intl 7
Florida 59 Hawaii 17
Wisconsin 49 Akron 10

SHIP THE STACK TO MANIAC

Sidedish will win an MTT by 8/16- CHECK 1 for 1
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
jinxedchoker
post Jul 24 2008, 11:53 PM
Post #17


NWP Uber-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 802
Joined: 4-December 05
From: Gloria's Cockpit
Member No.: 2,039



I did a month on Stars playing 2/4 and 3/6 limit 6max and I had dbbeckam as a loser at the 3/6 limit. I thought the guy was a complete fish and sat every table he was at and did very well. I guess you guys got more than a couple thousand hands on him to show he is in the green?


--------------------
(RYLAND_THE BALL_SNIFFER @ Aug 6 2008, 06:04 AM)
I'm fine with you guys thinking your pissing me off or something acting like this but we all know where im going to end up in poker when being serious. I am up almost 10k this summer in micro FR and 6 max 15-20 tabling and I have tons of backers but yep just keep laughing at me and i'll keep dedicating my life to improving my poker game and getting somewhere big in life.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
KillAllHumans
post Jul 25 2008, 01:40 AM
Post #18


NWP Super-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 174
Joined: 9-October 06
From: now earth earlier erkan
Member No.: 3,737



QUOTE(jinxedchoker @ Jul 25 2008, 05:53 PM) *
I did a month on Stars playing 2/4 and 3/6 limit 6max and I had dbbeckam as a loser at the 3/6 limit. I thought the guy was a complete fish and sat every table he was at and did very well. I guess you guys got more than a couple thousand hands on him to show he is in the green?


i have 135k hands on beckham thus far and he is a 1.41BB/100 loser totaling almost 12k in not even 2 months
they say due to his super nova elite status he will make 100k in rakeback this year, but you gotta wonder if every months is as bad as the one i have on record if he even makes any money at all at the end of the year and if, is it really worth the hustle


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
poolshark
post Jul 30 2008, 01:15 PM
Post #19


NWP Super-Fish
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 291
Joined: 25-September 05
From: Milwaukee
Member No.: 1,706



QUOTE(KillAllHumans @ Jul 6 2006, 09:40 AM) *
QUOTE(jinxedchoker @ Jul 25 2008, 05:53 PM) *
I did a month on Stars playing 2/4 and 3/6 limit 6max and I had dbbeckam as a loser at the 3/6 limit. I thought the guy was a complete fish and sat every table he was at and did very well. I guess you guys got more than a couple thousand hands on him to show he is in the green?


i have 135k hands on beckham thus far and he is a 1.41BB/100 loser totaling almost 12k in not even 2 months
they say due to his super nova elite status he will make 100k in rakeback this year, but you gotta wonder if every months is as bad as the one i have on record if he even makes any money at all at the end of the year and if, is it really worth the hustle


I'm pretty suprised that people have all these losing numbers on beckham, on my old computer I had about 6k hands on him and he was one of the biggest if not the biggest winner in my db. Since I've had my new computer in March and didn't play on stars until May however I'm almost positive it's not the same person playing the account or for some reason has drastically tightened his game going from like 29/20 to like a 24/18 style. He also used to get very spewy with me as I would with him which is no longer the case. On my new pc I have like 2-3k hands on him and he is also winning around 3bb/100 but he has seemed to be running really well whenever I play with him lately. I'm pretty sure him and marchinvest are friends from the Minneapolis area that go for SN elite and I've become rather curious how many people are playing that account to gain that status. Playing 2/4 and 3/6 I think would take somewhere around 1.4-1.7 million hands to get there in the year. If he can hold 700 hands/hr it's taking about 2140 hours to get to 1.5mil, that has to get extremely tiring and I would think someone has to fill in from time to time.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
dappadan777
post Aug 4 2008, 08:34 AM
Post #20


NWP Whale
Group Icon

Group: NWP Eurodonk
Posts: 5,211
Joined: 13-September 04
From: London UK
Member No.: 202



Euro sites FTW.

LOL at some of the donks at 10/20 and 25/50 on 'some' sites. I have noticed ridiculous fish at 50/100 and 100/200 on a particular site and they seriously dont have a clue, just rich and tilting. But obv I wont play that high. the max i jump to is 25/50, but the higher you go the more idiots there seem to be, esp on some sportbetting sites.

Have no clue about PP, I would assume its prolly very tough now though. But I dont play more than 4 tables of either NL/LHE, it burns my eyes and frys my brain.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Click here for other resources [+]
Poker Resources