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all in every hand - what are good calling standarts?

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post Jun 20 2008, 08:44 AM
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something that happens in low stakes HE NL HU sitngos - encountered it in stakes as high as 30$ - someone that will go all in every hand from the start (prob tilting).

what do you think is the best calling strategy in such a match?
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post Jun 20 2008, 08:48 AM
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Q8
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post Jun 20 2008, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Beenstaring @ Jun 21 2008, 02:48 AM) *
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thats the worst above average hand right? obv would make a profit on the long run calling with this hand or better , but knowing all the chips would be in no matter what , and that the blinds are really small , wouldnt it be better to wait for a little better hand , at least?
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post Jun 20 2008, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(mazr @ Jun 20 2008, 09:55 AM) *
QUOTE(Beenstaring @ Jun 21 2008, 02:48 AM) *
Q8

thats the worst above average hand right? obv would make a profit on the long run calling with this hand or better , but knowing all the chips would be in no matter what , and that the blinds are really small , wouldnt it be better to wait for a little better hand , at least?

dunno nigga that's just how i roll
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post Jun 20 2008, 09:54 AM
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A decent ace (A5 or better), a good king (k9 or better), or any pocket pair.
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post Jun 20 2008, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(SetofKs @ Jun 21 2008, 03:54 AM) *
A decent ace (A5 or better), a good king (k9 or better), or any pocket pair.

cool . ty
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post Jun 20 2008, 06:16 PM
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i sure wouldnt want to call with k9 and end up looking at a2. honestly if some1 is pushing all in every hand you just wait a bit and youll get aj or 88 soon enough. also, where the hell do you play sngs? where i play this shyt never happens and i play 5 and 10$ ones
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QUOTE(21x @ Jun 21 2008, 12:16 PM) *
i sure wouldnt want to call with k9 and end up looking at a2. honestly if some1 is pushing all in every hand you just wait a bit and youll get aj or 88 soon enough. also, where the hell do you play sngs? where i play this shyt never happens and i play 5 and 10$ ones

pokestars. and i was thinking calling with !j is +ev
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post Jun 20 2008, 07:54 PM
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You can wait for a premium hand, that would work too, but it is possible that you won't get one for a while. The k9 call is kind of iffy, but it is definitly plus EV against a random hand.

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post Jun 21 2008, 02:08 PM
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Play enough SNG's you will see this does happen all the time...sometimes people do it with a really good hand and hope to get a call from not a good hand as in "K9" or worse as SetofKs said. But the first hand if they moved in I wouldn't even call with KQs as they could do it with a good hand. But if they are doing in hand after hand after hand then call with a margial hand.
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post Jun 25 2008, 11:20 AM
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If you are still 9 handed or whatever why even bother putting yourself in a thin spot. Sounds kinda nitty to some but if you start with 1500 chips having him snag 25 to 75 chips an orbit or two isn't going to be the death of you.

Early on i'd wait for 77's+ and A8+ if I knew for sure i'd get HU with him with zero chance of getting overcalled


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post Jun 25 2008, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(jinxedchoker @ Jun 25 2008, 02:20 PM) *
If you are still 9 handed or whatever why even bother putting yourself in a thin spot. Sounds kinda nitty to some but if you start with 1500 chips having him snag 25 to 75 chips an orbit or two isn't going to be the death of you.

Early on i'd wait for 77's+ and A8+ if I knew for sure i'd get HU with him with zero chance of getting overcalled


It said in the OP heads up. If it is 9 handed I would only call with a premium hand. Not because im afraid of the all in guy, but because theres a good chance somebody left to act could've woken up with a monster.
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post Jun 27 2008, 09:04 AM
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By every hand if you mean every hand, then is 60% vs any two cards.

Calling ranges vs. ANY TWO cards

Top 33% of hands 55+,A2s+,K4s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,98s,A5o+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o 60% vs Any Two

Top 10% of hands 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo 68% vs. Any Two

Top 5.5% of hands 88+,ATs+,KQs,AKo 72% vs Any Two

Problem is if you wait for a top 5.5% of hands hand while you should get one in twenty, it might be 60 hands and then you get three in a row. By that point your in the next sng. I think if he pushes EVERY hand you got to go with a reasonable one, if he is pushing like 3 of 4 then maybe you can afford to wait a while. I get people that raise all in after I raise on the button about 25%-30% of the time, these I just keep raising playing small pot poker, if they raise all in, and I cant call and be relatively sure I am ahead I fold, letting them know its ok to keep doing that. Sooner or later, I will make my standard button raise with a top 5% and they will shove and I will snap 'em off.

These people that cant play after the flop therefore shove thinking they are countering your agressiveness on the button are the easiest to get your money in good on. However, I would rather play someone that lets me small ball them and grind them down til they have to shove at 400 chips.


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post Jun 27 2008, 01:51 PM
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I just realised something thinking about this problem: you have to wait for a hand that's better than 60% against a random simply because taking a 50-59% edge is basically just going to feed the rake....

If this is illogically thought out, please correct me.


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post Jul 18 2008, 12:01 PM
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Actually just read an article, that if some one pushes 100% your correct to call with the top 33%.


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post Jul 18 2008, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(bivey @ Jul 19 2008, 06:01 AM) *
Actually just read an article, that if some one pushes 100% your correct to call with the top 33%.

ship the link.
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post Jul 19 2008, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(mazr @ Jul 18 2008, 08:46 PM) *
QUOTE(bivey @ Jul 19 2008, 06:01 AM) *
Actually just read an article, that if some one pushes 100% your correct to call with the top 33%.

ship the link.

Its at the very bottom. This is for the FT of a 180 man, but, when it is just the blinds, I think you use the same stat, since I don't think the article uses bubble factor as a reason for calling with the top 33%.

http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/m...SNGs_Part3.html


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post Jul 21 2008, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(bivey @ Jul 20 2008, 08:10 AM) *
QUOTE(mazr @ Jul 18 2008, 08:46 PM) *
QUOTE(bivey @ Jul 19 2008, 06:01 AM) *
Actually just read an article, that if some one pushes 100% your correct to call with the top 33%.

ship the link.

Its at the very bottom. This is for the FT of a 180 man, but, when it is just the blinds, I think you use the same stat, since I don't think the article uses bubble factor as a reason for calling with the top 33%.

http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/multitable/m...SNGs_Part3.html

thanks
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post Jul 22 2008, 03:44 PM
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i do this all the time when on tilt. It's amazing how many people will fold 20+ times in a row waiting on a premium.

I'd say i've won about 35% of the time when doing this.
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