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The most frustrating hand ever: JJ

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post Mar 6 2005, 09:19 PM
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Okay I have a question about how to play JJ in a certain situation, because me and SolomonL disagree about it.

It's a two-table $5.50 SNG. The blinds are $25/50 I gave the red jacks in the cutoff. We are eight-handed, and two of the first four players limp in. I have $2825 or so in chips. I raise to $250, since i have a lot of chips and I want to thin the field. The button has $2180 and reraises to 600. Everyone else folds to me. There is $1025 in the pot and it costs me 350 to call, so i'm getting almost 3-to 1 odds but I still think it is correct to fold. But Solomon, who was watching me at the time and was talking to me on AIM, said that I had to call and bet on the flop, and then "think about folding" if he raised. So I did exactly that, calling the $350 and betting $600 of my remaining $2225 on the KcTc4d, and he raised to $1400, which effectively put him all in since he had only $180 left. I asked if he would show his cards, and after i folded he showed the red aces.

This really annoyed me because I think I would have folded if Solomon hadn't told me to call, and I went on tilt and gave the same guy the rest of my chips.
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post Mar 6 2005, 09:51 PM
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I actually like Solomons advice... you could knock out a lot of hands better than yours, drawing hands, etc. (Actually that's debatable at low limit sng's). Granted the rr would've set off some bells, but in my limited experience, that type of aggression works more than it fails. There aren't many hands that withstand that ytpe of aggression in full confidence... look at it as he just happend to have one of two or three hands no one would've folded. Your aggression on the flop would probably knock out just about every other hand. At the very least I don't see anything wrong w/ calling the initial rr to see a flop... and if you were still suspicious he had you dominated after the flop - I would've checked to see if he was willing to give you another cheap card to hit ur trips... donks love to slowplay aces for some reason.
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post Mar 6 2005, 10:01 PM
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who'd know for sure he had aces?smile.gif
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post Mar 7 2005, 12:08 AM
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You definitely need to call the re-raise in this spot. your getting 3 to 1 in a spot where you are most likely against an overpair, and if you spike your jack on the flop theres no question that your going to take all his chips....especially at a $5.5 SG
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post Mar 7 2005, 02:43 PM
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Yes to call the reraise. No to bet the flop dark. I do not play NL but it seems to me that you can check-fold the flop if an A or K hits.
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post Mar 7 2005, 04:05 PM
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yeah - i dont think there's anything wrong with the preflop call. i just didn't like that 600 flop bet. you would have been better off check-folding, like the previous post said.
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post Mar 7 2005, 04:21 PM
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The re-raise show's that he has strength and it is meant to intimidate you. No matter what the flop is he will more then likely either bet or raise. You will probably fold. However, if you bet first it looks like you hit the flop and he will likely call or fold if he didn't hit. If he did hit or has a hand such as aces you will get reraised no matter what your bet is. He also has position on you which makes it difficult which means sometimes folding is the correct play depending on the size of his reraise and what type of a player he is (loose/tight)

If you check the flop it means one of two things:
A) You're Weak
cool.gif You've hit and slow playing
Obviously that's overly simplified and obvious but it makes sense. If you don't bet on the flop and he has anything at all, sometimes nothing he will bet. Depending on your style you can throw a reraise back at him if you think he's bluffing or just call.

Remember, position is everything, and when you don't have it it makes it alot harder to beat a reraise. If you get reraised preflop you won't have position, so folding in a situation, especially when you're near the chip lead is a good move.
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