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Mar 6 2009, 01:11 PM
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Druff,
Just curious as to what your thoughts are in general about your ability versus Neverwins. Not looking for an answer like...."I think I am better then him...." but more insight into why you had a pretty good year in 2008 online and his at-least according to Tableratings.com was awful. Where do you guys agree and disagree on strategy? Is my assumption correct that Neverwin's biggest leak is in game selection, which is probably one of your strongest attributes? If he didn't play COSI and Control101 last year he would have been on the plus side. I noticed that you hardly played any hands at all against the guys he lost the most money to ( COSI, Control101, Unassigned, Lance84, Hoss_TBF, HC_68 and Dwongz).......is that as a result of game selection or just because he played a-lot more hands at 200/400 then you did? I also noticed that he cleans up against Pokersnoopy but he is one of your worst enemies.......just a fluke or due to different styles of play?
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Mar 7 2009, 02:32 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that when both players are playing their best, playing their A game, that Neverwin's A game is better than druff's, that he's a more creative, LAG-ery player than Druff. But Druff is much more consistent, Druff Tilts less often, and less severely, plays sober 100 percent, that the gap between Druff's A and C game is much smaller than dustins, and Druff's C game is much better than Dustin's, and Druff play's his A game ( or close to it) a higher percentage of the time. I would also guess Druff's game selection and bankroll management are better than dustin's. That's my view, as a very uneducated observer, I would be curious to know how close Druff thinks I am about this.
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Mar 7 2009, 02:40 PM
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I would put money on Druff over Dustin in the long run. I'm 100% sure Druff is much more long term +EV than Neverwin is for a number of reasons, mainly being Neverwin's tilt and drug abuse issues.
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Mar 7 2009, 04:21 PM
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Dustin's biggest problem has always been game selection.
It's very risky playing high stakes heads up against good players such as control101, cosi, etc. Either your edge on these players doesn't exist (they are better or equivalent), or it is small enough to where the cards will mainly determine who wins and loses. Not a good situation, especially when your bankroll isn't high enough at the moment to withstand such swings.
His other problem is inconsistency. I have seen a variety of neverwins show up at my game over the years, ranging from excellent, right-on-the-money, soul-reading neverwin to tilty and/or confused neverwin. This is probably a result of various drug and personal issues Dustin has gone through at times, but he would do far better if he stayed away from poker when not feeling his best.
One underrated aspect of neverwin's game is his NL tournament game. While he has bricked it hard in WPT events, he has made many deep runs in the WSOP, and I believe all were at NL events. He has the highest main event finish (32nd) of any active NWPer, past or present. Unfortunately, his luck has run out at the wrong time in the WSOP, preventing him from winning any bracelets or cashing huge. It could happen any year, though.
Truthfully, all three of us (yes, even Micon) have a pretty good record at the WSOP.
Dustin has 15 cashes since 2005, including a 4th, 7th, 8th, 14th, 15th, 16th, and that 32nd at the main event.
I have 9 cashes since 2005, with 7 being 19th or better, and 5 being 10th or better.
Micon has 5 cashes (in a limited number of tries), including a 9th and 15th, and finished 63rd in the main event.
None of us have ever cashed in the same event. I am the only one of the three of us to have cashed in a WSOP limit event.
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Mar 8 2009, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(The_Standard @ Mar 7 2009, 10:40 PM)  I would put money on Druff over Dustin in the long run. I'm 100% sure Druff is much more long term +EV than Neverwin is for a number of reasons, mainly being Neverwin's tilt and drug abuse issues. Anybody that's using drugs should flat-*ss not be playing poker...You can't make sane decisions when under the influence...Drugs and alcohol will ultimately destroy you...Not to mention your game...Take it from me a reformed boozer...
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Mar 8 2009, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(BigDMcGee @ Mar 7 2009, 10:32 PM)  I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess that when both players are playing their best, playing their A game, that Neverwin's A game is better than druff's, that he's a more creative, LAG-ery player than Druff. But Druff is much more consistent, Druff Tilts less often, and less severely, plays sober 100 percent, that the gap between Druff's A and C game is much smaller than dustins, and Druff's C game is much better than Dustin's, and Druff play's his A game ( or close to it) a higher percentage of the time. I would also guess Druff's game selection and bankroll management are better than dustin's. That's my view, as a very uneducated observer, I would be curious to know how close Druff thinks I am about this. Tilt aint the word for it BigDMcGee...Neverwin will cap it with rags at times...
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Mar 10 2009, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(michael @ Mar 10 2009, 08:34 AM)  QUOTE(Sonny @ Mar 9 2009, 06:48 AM)  Anybody that's using drugs should flat-*ss not be playing poker...You can't make sane decisions when under the influence  Exactly and you couldn't of posted a truer point to my statement...The best player there ever was and drugs did destroy his game...Plus took his life...Drug free and possibly with help to rid him of his demons he'd stand a top the players of today...Only man who could fire three bullets in a row with nothing and take down a pot...
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